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The Smiler - General Discussion

It's a nice idea actually - and pleasant to see something outside of the rides first season.
 
Shame there's not 14 jalapenos on each one!
Actually maybe that's for the best.
 
That queue extension is absolutely horrific and looks more claustrophobic to me than the inside queue. Before you could just nip through the extensions if you didn't fancy waiting that long - it seriously detracts from X-Sector now and is frankly appalling.

It shows the least amount of imagination they possibly could have shown and the open nature of the entrance to X-Sector, at least from the pictures (they can be deceptive admittedly) now looks cramped and ruins the entrance vista completely.

Was there really a need for such high, bland FENCING?

Sorry I also think the Pizza marketing is crap.

"Oh wow, they have a picture of The Smiler and toppings with absolutely no relevance to the ride whatsoever".

This is good marketing? This will be successful marketing because people will buy it and get the 2 for 1s but frankly I could fart more creative ideas.

The box looks like the design was thrown together in Microsoft Word!
 
I'm not quite sure what pizza toppings would be relevant to a roller coaster :/

Personally, I just take it as it is. A perfectly acceptable and understandable way to promote the park. It certainly doesn't offend anyone.
 
Jalapenos and sausage doesn't sound like a great tummy combination, maybe it'll make you so ill you'll reach that state of euphoria you get just after being incredibly sick?
 
smudge said:
I'm not quite sure what pizza toppings would be relevant to a roller coaster :/

Personally, I just take it as it is. A perfectly acceptable and understandable way to promote the park. It certainly doesn't offend anyone.
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I don't find it offensive, don't get me wrong, but it's cheesy as hell (*chortle). Uproar when Oblivion was tied into Fanta (OK, signage was around, obvious difference no need to point it out), but associating The Smiler directly to a Pizza is fine that isn't even remotely creative?

We aren't talking about just 2 for 1 park branding, we're talking about associating a supposedly menacing ride to a PIZZA.

To be honest, I am mostly REALLY annoyed at the awful, awful wretched outside queue - the Pizza thing I just find irritating. Same as I would if they started flogging Nemesis sausages, or Oblivion steak and kidney pies in supermarkets.
 
TheMan said:
smudge said:
I'm not quite sure what pizza toppings would be relevant to a roller coaster :/

Personally, I just take it as it is. A perfectly acceptable and understandable way to promote the park. It certainly doesn't offend anyone.
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I don't find it offensive, don't get me wrong, but it's cheesy as hell (*chortle). Uproar when Oblivion was tied into Fanta (OK, signage was around, obvious difference no need to point it out), but associating The Smiler directly to a Pizza is fine that isn't even remotely creative?
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When opened Nemesis was associated with cherry cola and air to cadburys heros. Getting ride branding on food and drink products is an age old marketing strategy. The Fanta - Oblivion tie-in was different as it worked the other way as Fanta was splashed across the ride itself. I doubt anyone would have cared if Fanta did an Oblivion bottle, they just didn't like Fanta on the actual ride.
 
Dave said:
TheMan said:
smudge said:
I'm not quite sure what pizza toppings would be relevant to a roller coaster :/

Personally, I just take it as it is. A perfectly acceptable and understandable way to promote the park. It certainly doesn't offend anyone.
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I don't find it offensive, don't get me wrong, but it's cheesy as hell (*chortle). Uproar when Oblivion was tied into Fanta (OK, signage was around, obvious difference no need to point it out), but associating The Smiler directly to a Pizza is fine that isn't even remotely creative?
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When opened Nemesis was associated with cherry cola and air to cadburys heros. Getting ride branding on food and drink products is an age old marketing strategy. The Fanta - Oblivion tie-in was different as it worked the other way as Fanta was splashed across the ride itself. I doubt anyone would have cared if Fanta did an Oblivion bottle, they just didn't like Fanta on the actual ride.
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To be fair slapping The Smiler on a random Goodfella's pizza is not quite the same as creating an entire brand (or sub brand) of drink specifically for a ride. The actual drink even had direct relevance to the ride theme in an ironic kind of way.

Heck, even the Cadbury Heroes worked well for Air, given the nature of the ride is 'flying like a superhero'. Air is so devoid of theming it actually looks worse off without the purple logo's.

However, I don't think there's anything that wrong with this tie in.
 
Dave said:
When opened Nemesis was associated with cherry cola and air to cadburys heros. Getting ride branding on food and drink products is an age old marketing strategy. The Fanta - Oblivion tie-in was different as it worked the other way as Fanta was splashed across the ride itself. I doubt anyone would have cared if Fanta did an Oblivion bottle, they just didn't like Fanta on the actual ride.
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The concept art with Cadbury looked good for air, not particularly fussed by that as it's doesn't pretend to be menacing. Don't remember Cherry Cola being associated to Nemmy, but I do actually remember it being a decent branded drink. The thing is, I really don't want to get too far into this, I find it irritating not very important lol, but, it's not like being associated to it - it would be like having Nemesis Cola, which would make no sense.

Smiler Cola ironically could be dressed up to be a crazy drink or something, just be a bit creative, Smiler Pizza with a couple of peppers on? It just doesn't make any sense and I find it a lazy, unimaginative idea - specially given the sheer volume & potential food tie ins.

As I say most of my ire and present irritation is just down to that STUPID QUEUE
 
TheMan said:
Dave said:
When opened Nemesis was associated with cherry cola and air to cadburys heros. Getting ride branding on food and drink products is an age old marketing strategy. The Fanta - Oblivion tie-in was different as it worked the other way as Fanta was splashed across the ride itself. I doubt anyone would have cared if Fanta did an Oblivion bottle, they just didn't like Fanta on the actual ride.
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The concept art with Cadbury looked good for air, not particularly fussed by that as it's doesn't pretend to be menacing. Don't remember Cherry Cola being associated to Nemmy, but I do actually remember it being a decent branded drink. The thing is, I really don't want to get too far into this, I find it irritating not very important lol, but, it's not like being associated to it - it would be like having Nemesis Cola, which would make no sense.

Smiler Cola ironically could be dressed up to be a crazy drink or something, just be a bit creative, Smiler Pizza with a couple of peppers on? It just doesn't make any sense and I find it a lazy, unimaginative idea - specially given the sheer volume & potential food tie ins.

As I say most of my ire and present irritation is just down to that STUPID QUEUE
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I said months ago (maybe on TowersTimes though) that the best product tie in, if any, would be with Cadbury's Twirl.

It is the biggest selling chocolate bar in Britain and has been for several years now and is a perfect brand match with The Smiler.
 
Don't really see the issue with the pizza? It's quite a nice idea and isn't something we often see these days (food and drink tie ins with rides). It doesn't offend me and I hardly think it is lazy or un imaginative.

As for the new queue extension - the upper cattle pen doesn't offend me too much as it seems fairly spacious and is in a fairly nice location. My issue is with the awful layout by the original entrance. It looks far too over complicated and messy. I thought they had moved the arch forward and built a split behind it but they have instead created some kind of god-awful gated contraption at the entrance.

They could have even left the arch where it is and just added a movable gate that ether blocked off the extension or forced you into it. A waist height fence positioned between the priority entrance and main entrance and then a swinging gate that either closes off the extension or forces you through it. Currently it's an over engineered mess.
 
Dave said:
TheMan said:
smudge said:
I'm not quite sure what pizza toppings would be relevant to a roller coaster :/

Personally, I just take it as it is. A perfectly acceptable and understandable way to promote the park. It certainly doesn't offend anyone.
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I don't find it offensive, don't get me wrong, but it's cheesy as hell (*chortle). Uproar when Oblivion was tied into Fanta (OK, signage was around, obvious difference no need to point it out), but associating The Smiler directly to a Pizza is fine that isn't even remotely creative?
Click to expand...

When opened Nemesis was associated with cherry cola and air to cadburys heros. Getting ride branding on food and drink products is an age old marketing strategy. The Fanta - Oblivion tie-in was different as it worked the other way as Fanta was splashed across the ride itself. I doubt anyone would have cared if Fanta did an Oblivion bottle, they just didn't like Fanta on the actual ride.
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Just like no one wants Goodfellas pizza advertising all over The Smiler.
 
Don't see the issue with the pizza at least it is a custom flavour as opposed to Kellogs just whacking 2fo1 on everything.

Also Nestle is the official chocolate supplier now so there won't be any Cadbury/Kraft sponsorship.
 
jon81uk said:
Don't see the issue with the pizza at least it is a custom flavour as opposed to Kellogs just whacking 2fo1 on everything.

Also Nestle is the official chocolate supplier now so there won't be any Cadbury/Kraft sponsorship.
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Shame, Cadbury is superior to Nestle in every way despite being owned by Kraft.
 
BigDave said:
Just like no one wants Goodfellas pizza advertising all over The Smiler.
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There won't be?

This is just a product tie-in rather than ride sponsorship.
 
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