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The Traitors (WARNING: Potential spoilers!)

WillPS said:
Dodgy behaviour, a tell which potentially falls in to the former category of 'totally subject to whatever we see in the edit', but not a misplay.
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But there are two mistakes in that sequence. Carr’s slip-up, which could be a categorised as a misstep. And the group’s inability to use that to corroborate evidence against Carr, which is a misplay.

You’ve fallen into the same trap as many faithfuls by stating that sequence was subject to the edit, when you haven’t applied the same grace to the evidence you’ve gathered against traitors. It’s evidence when it supports your theory, but circumstantial when it opposes your theory.

And for that reason, I’ll be voting you out at tonight’s round table.
 
I certainly think there have been more smart moments in this series then the celebrity one. But that's not to say there havn't been some seriously dumb moments too.
On two occasions (when the painting was marked and Amanda made her reveal) there was literally anouther player who was shooed from the room moments before. Yet no one commented on that. And Rachel has now had 2 people call her out, yet the round table after she didn't get a single vote.

However the reason I call out the celebrity series is because Jo was the only one who seemed to be truly thinking about who the traitors could be. For example Stefan fry is a very smart man, but none of his votes came across as anything more than stabs in the dark. Had Jo not attempted that amazing save at the end the series would have ended quite poorly.

In this series however there's been a number of players that have seemed really switched on. Their big fault is they never seem to carry over suspicious from day to day. Those that have are spotting the patterns and getting genuinely close to catching them out.
 
BSwiss said:
You’ve fallen into the same trap as many faithfuls by stating that sequence was subject to the edit, when you haven’t applied the same grace to the evidence you’ve gathered against traitors. It’s evidence when it supports your theory, but circumstantial when it opposes your theory.
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No I haven't. We know Rachel gathered everyone for her big reveal after the round table set piece and before carriages. Other than editing the whole thing out (which they didn't do), or removing something from the statement or context which would have made declaring it a bit more justified, I don't see what else is pertinent.

Forgetting you have a shield is not objectively more good or more bad, it is either way a stupid thing to do.
 
It looks as though Faraaz unleashed a logic bomb tonight and is now suspecting Rachel, having gone around and told everyone that he suspects Rachel with numerous pieces of evidence in his favour.

If he hasn’t made himself a prime target for murder tonight, I wonder if he might be able to mount a case and make a Rachel/Stephen joint victory a less foregone conclusion than it might have seemed?
 
Nobody will trust Rachel enough to do the endgame with her.

Nor James for that.

Not sure about Stephen.

Faithful victory looking likely, unfortunately, as this is by far the worst town I've seen in the UK version.

Hopefully Roxy is murdered anyway, she really is useless.
 
I think Stephen could win.

I think Rachel is a goner regardless of the outcome of the Chests of Chance. Even if James is banished, he’ll reveal himself as a Faithful and everyone will gang up on her, I feel.

But at a round table where there was lots of fire in every direction, only Rachel herself fired at Stephen at all. And if she is banished as a Traitor, Stephen could quite easily spin that as him having been “set up”.

Stephen has had remarkably little heat on him in recent episodes, and lots of people trust him. I think he could do it.
 
Rachel won't make endgame. James wont make endgame.

I'm pretty sure they'll keep eliminating as long as they can, which at this point is quite logical. Stephen could end up in that final 2. Suspect there was probably rather more heat on him and Jade than we saw in today's edit though, so perhaps it could boil down to a Faraaz/Jack final 2. I don't think either of those have any reason to suspect each other.

I could live with either outcome.
 
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