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The Traitors (WARNING: Potential spoilers!)

WillPS said:
Dodgy behaviour, a tell which potentially falls in to the former category of 'totally subject to whatever we see in the edit', but not a misplay.
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But there are two mistakes in that sequence. Carr’s slip-up, which could be a categorised as a misstep. And the group’s inability to use that to corroborate evidence against Carr, which is a misplay.

You’ve fallen into the same trap as many faithfuls by stating that sequence was subject to the edit, when you haven’t applied the same grace to the evidence you’ve gathered against traitors. It’s evidence when it supports your theory, but circumstantial when it opposes your theory.

And for that reason, I’ll be voting you out at tonight’s round table.
 
I certainly think there have been more smart moments in this series then the celebrity one. But that's not to say there havn't been some seriously dumb moments too.
On two occasions (when the painting was marked and Amanda made her reveal) there was literally anouther player who was shooed from the room moments before. Yet no one commented on that. And Rachel has now had 2 people call her out, yet the round table after she didn't get a single vote.

However the reason I call out the celebrity series is because Jo was the only one who seemed to be truly thinking about who the traitors could be. For example Stefan fry is a very smart man, but none of his votes came across as anything more than stabs in the dark. Had Jo not attempted that amazing save at the end the series would have ended quite poorly.

In this series however there's been a number of players that have seemed really switched on. Their big fault is they never seem to carry over suspicious from day to day. Those that have are spotting the patterns and getting genuinely close to catching them out.
 
BSwiss said:
You’ve fallen into the same trap as many faithfuls by stating that sequence was subject to the edit, when you haven’t applied the same grace to the evidence you’ve gathered against traitors. It’s evidence when it supports your theory, but circumstantial when it opposes your theory.
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No I haven't. We know Rachel gathered everyone for her big reveal after the round table set piece and before carriages. Other than editing the whole thing out (which they didn't do), or removing something from the statement or context which would have made declaring it a bit more justified, I don't see what else is pertinent.

Forgetting you have a shield is not objectively more good or more bad, it is either way a stupid thing to do.
 
It looks as though Faraaz unleashed a logic bomb tonight and is now suspecting Rachel, having gone around and told everyone that he suspects Rachel with numerous pieces of evidence in his favour.

If he hasn’t made himself a prime target for murder tonight, I wonder if he might be able to mount a case and make a Rachel/Stephen joint victory a less foregone conclusion than it might have seemed?
 
Nobody will trust Rachel enough to do the endgame with her.

Nor James for that.

Not sure about Stephen.

Faithful victory looking likely, unfortunately, as this is by far the worst town I've seen in the UK version.

Hopefully Roxy is murdered anyway, she really is useless.
 
History has been made... That was the first time the Chests of Chance have been used twice in a series 😬
 
I think Stephen could win.

I think Rachel is a goner regardless of the outcome of the Chests of Chance. Even if James is banished, he’ll reveal himself as a Faithful and everyone will gang up on her, I feel.

But at a round table where there was lots of fire in every direction, only Rachel herself fired at Stephen at all. And if she is banished as a Traitor, Stephen could quite easily spin that as him having been “set up”.

Stephen has had remarkably little heat on him in recent episodes, and lots of people trust him. I think he could do it.
 
Rachel won't make endgame. James wont make endgame.

I'm pretty sure they'll keep eliminating as long as they can, which at this point is quite logical. Stephen could end up in that final 2. Suspect there was probably rather more heat on him and Jade than we saw in today's edit though, so perhaps it could boil down to a Faraaz/Jack final 2. I don't think either of those have any reason to suspect each other.

I could live with either outcome.
 
It dawns on me that what happens at the start of the next episode could have quite significant consequences.

If Rachel goes first, it could significantly change the remaining gameplay. She'll be the final person to reveal her identity and reveal she's a traitor.

That would put heat on both Faraaz and Jack - neither of whom have ever had any real heat on them before.
  • Faraaz becomes a 'traitor hunter', but that could entirely be read as traitor on traitor behaviour, because he turned on Rachel so quickly at such a pivotal point in the game and was spot on with his analysis on the situation.
  • And Jack switched his vote at the last moment, so he should get some heat from James, as it looks like he could have been trying to protect Rachel for whatever reason.
Whereas if James goes, then it is more or less business as usual, and it is likely Rachel will go next. At which point it's literally anyone's games due to the general confusion of the final rounds. It'll be interesting to see if Stephen sails through due to his close relationship with Jack at that point.
 
Worst town ever. Except Australia S2.

What happened to the stupid prisoner's dilemma golden balls rubbish for multiple Traitors at the end? I don't remember that ever being dropped as a thing, and I'm sure it was there in the earlier series (not that it happened).
 
WillPS said:
Worst town ever. Except Australia S2.

What happened to the stupid prisoner's dilemma golden balls rubbish for multiple Traitors at the end? I don't remember that ever being dropped as a thing, and I'm sure it was there in the earlier series (not that it happened).
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That was in the Aussie version, but I don't think it's ever been in the UK version and I'm glad it isn't. I'll be watching the final tomorrow but accidentally saw a notification of the result on my phone. 🤦‍♂️

The result I was hoping for though (but wasn't expecting), so I'm even more looking forward to watching tomorrow! 😍

I'm so glad Stephen and Rachel won, and kept their promises to the end. They both deserve it massively.
 
They've definitely mentioned it in the turret in previous seasons. I'm sure there was particular emphasis put on it in S2.
 
WillPS said:
They've definitely mentioned it in the turret in previous seasons. I'm sure there was particular emphasis put on it in S2.
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Honestly not sure what you’re talking about? For the record never seen the Australian version.

It’s always been the case that if multiple traitors reach the end, the prize is split between them - always been a possibility.
 
Islander said:
Honestly not sure what you’re talking about? For the record never seen the Australian version.

It’s always been the case that if multiple traitors reach the end, the prize is split between them - always been a possibility.
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There was a stupid prisoners dilemma in other versions and in earlier UK series it was also alluded to, but not this one. Ask an AI assistant of your choice what happens if multiple traitors make it to the end in The Traitors and you'll see what I mean.

Thinking about it, I wonder if it might have been scrubbed from the format in reaction to Australia S2, which was a hot mess and completely anti-climactic (although hilarious and a must watch, I would argue).
 
WillPS said:
Ask an AI assistant of your choice what happens if multiple traitors make it to the end in The Traitors and you'll see what I mean.
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Err… nah I’m alright thanks, prefer verifiable facts over AI drivel.

But yeh it’s never been a thing in the UK that I can remember, and I’ve avidly watched all four series. If I’ve missed it, I worry for my memory lol.

But anyway, what an absolutely lovely final. I’m so happy that Stephen and Rachel won, was wonderful :)
 
To be fair, I think Rachel and Stephen were deserving winners. They played a very good game, even if I’m stunned that Rachel got through the Chests of Chance without being banished!

It’s been an excellent series, and I look forward to series 5 (or closer in the future, celebrity series 2)!
 
Islander said:
Err… nah I’m alright thanks, prefer verifiable facts over AI drivel.
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If you can find a firm copy of the rules for previous seasons, I'd love to see it! As an avid watcher of the 4 seasons you'll know the rules can and do change a fair bit; for example the whole 'the only way you can leave is by being murdered or banished' in season 1, which clearly wasn't a thing in season 3.
 
Rachel and Stephen played very well and the first team traitors win really. Would have gone very differently if they had banished Racheal or chance got her out. Then might have seen Faraaz and Jack or Stephen win.
 
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