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[hannypanda]

Should every company suspend trading when an accusation is made?

I'm a little confused why people keep asking this question.

Shawn isn't a company. He's a content creator for a family friendly YouTube channel which has been at the centre of a number of serious allegations, many involving people who were under age at the time.

There is no rule book to follow here.

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[Mr Pearse]

Should every company suspend trading when an accusation is made?

Unlike most big companies the alleged are basically the faces of the channel apart from Shaun. So over half the videos on his channel feature atleast one person who’s been accused so surely if that’s the case wouldn’t you put those videos to private out of respect?.

 

[RicketyCricket]

My comment wasn't intended to be a dig at you. It was a general commentary about the atmosphere regarding Shawn on this forum. Some were very quick to criticise and others were very quick to defend even on something as innocuous as a discussion about the Bookworm.

Big difference between restoring a Bookworm and protecting paedophiles tbf.

 

[ChristmasPud]

My comment wasn't intended to be a dig at you. It was a general commentary about the atmosphere regarding Shawn on this forum. Some were very quick to criticise and others were very quick to defend even on something as innocuous as a discussion about the Bookworm.

Yeah I didnt take it as a personal dig or anything, I know you're speaking generally, I just don't think it's necessarily true. For example I was one of the more outspoken people against his vlogging influence but havnt posted much in response to the scandal. But I cant speak for everyone's feelings towards Shawn of course

I dont think you can compare the situation

 

[Matgo]

Big difference between restoring a Bookworm and protecting paedophiles tbf.

Again, it was a general commentary on the attitude towards Shawn. Obviously I was making no comparison on the above subjects.

 

[overthehills]

Unlike most big companies the alleged are basically the faces of the channel apart from Shaun. So over half the videos on his channel feature atleast one person who’s been accused so surely if that’s the case wouldn’t you put those videos to private out of respect?.

I think when those people are found guilty in a court of law, then yes, he should. But it sets a bad precedent for others if we're not prepared to treat people as innocent until prove guilty. If someone is stepped down from a company while they are investigated, their previous work isn't dismantled, moved or hidden, they are not involved again until the court case is completed and they are found innocent. Of course, if these people are found guilty they should have those videos removed. I would be disappointed with Shawn and not remain a fan if he were to keep them.

 

[hannypanda]

I think when those people are found guilty in a court of law, then yes, he should. But it sets a bad precedent for others if we're not prepared to treat people as innocent until prove guilty. If someone is stepped down from a company while they are investigated, their previous work isn't dismantled, moved or hidden, they are not involved again until the court case is completed and they are found innocent. Of course, if these people are found guilty they should have those videos removed. I would be disappointed with Shawn and not remain a fan if he were to keep them.

As previously stated, a lot of what certain individuals have done does not quite cross the line of "breaking the law".

This DOES NOT mean that the people are innocent. There is proof of that.

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[Doublethink]

Met Shawn and he seems like a nice enough guy but ultimately he isn't handing this situation professionally or shown any compassion for the victims of this fiasco and it makes me reluctant to support him going forward. I think I will be scaling back how much of his videos I watch as a result

 

[Ils]

One of the alleged victims tells the world the name of the individual on Twitter.

Then says she is deleting her account.

Then posts a song about her ordeal.

Three days later has spoken to the police doesn't want to discuss it anymore.

Do people not find today's youth rather strange on how they deal with matters of magnitude?

 

[overthehills]

As previously stated, a lot of what certain individuals have done does not quite cross the line of "breaking the law".

This DOES NOT mean that the people are innocent. There is proof of that.

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Then ultimately if no laws have been broken, it comes down to people's own opinions about whether they still follow him and enjoy his videos. Others feeling they have the right to shout down people who do, doesn't sit well. I am glad though you say "a lot" of what they have done doesn't break the law, as this means a small amount does, and hopefully then there are ways in which the right people can be held to account and found guilty of at least some crimes.

 

[hannypanda]

One of the alleged victims tells the world the name of the individual on Twitter.

Then says she is deleting her account.

Then posts a song about her ordeal.

Three days later has spoken to the police doesn't want to discuss it anymore.

Do people not find today's youth rather strange on how they deal with matters of magnitude?

The person you're referring to did not have any evidence of the claim. I presume this is why when she spoke to the police she changed her mind on taking it further, she was probably advised that there is a minimum chance of conviction. They have placed this on record though, and if anything further is to come out about the individual then that can indeed be referenced.

As a young female myself, I don't understand her actions. I wouldn't have acted the way she has, but it may just be some form of unusual coping mechanism.

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[ChristmasPud]

One of the alleged victims tells the world the name of the individual on Twitter.

Then says she is deleting her account.

Then posts a song about her ordeal.

Three days later has spoken to the police doesn't want to discuss it anymore.

Do people not find today's youth rather strange on how they deal with matters of magnitude?

Yeah that is very weird, although not everyone has acted that way

In general I think younger generations (which Im a part of) are encouraged to go down the social media route a lot more than to speak to the police, which is probably really counterproductive, but I guess the flipside is it tells people they're not alone and the ball really gets rolling on other people coming forward.

 

[overthehills]

One of the alleged victims tells the world the name of the individual on Twitter.

Then says she is deleting her account.

Then posts a song about her ordeal.

Three days later has spoken to the police doesn't want to discuss it anymore.

Do people not find today's youth rather strange on how they deal with matters of magnitude?

It's impossible to judge how victims of sexual assault will deal with what they have been through. Today I have seen posts on the twitter from both people who are trivialising the alleged victims and also from those who are loving every moment that it might bring down the whole youtube channel. I read with interest the post on here from someone who talked about how people might challenge their friends about things they've heard and be satisfied with what they are told. It's always hard to believe a relative or friend might be an abuser. I do feel though that there seems to be too many people calling for Shawn to be hung drawn and quartered before any actual police investigation has even begun.

 

[hannypanda]

Then ultimately if no laws have been broken, it comes down to people's own opinions about whether they still follow him and enjoy his videos. Others feeling they have the right to shout down people who do, doesn't sit well. I am glad though you say "a lot" of what they have done doesn't break the law, as this means a small amount does, and hopefully then there are ways in which the right people can be held to account and found guilty of at least some crimes.

The one individual in question has committed a number of acts of harassment and manipulation. There are text messages, photos and even video footage which back these claims up.

Regardless of the outcome of any case Shawn would be foolish to allow him back onto videos.

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[Ils]

As previously stated, a lot of what certain individuals have done does not quite cross the line of "breaking the law".

This DOES NOT mean that the people are innocent. There is proof of that.

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I don't mean to argue with you again. But I will tell you a little story when I was 18. Me and my mates used to go swimming a lot and we bumped into some girls. These girls told us they were 16 and we started flirting and took a couple of their numbers and agreed to meet up on Friday. Two days later ahead of that Friday, I was walking back from college and bumped into one of the girls walking home from school. One of the lads I was with said Hi to her. I asked how he knew her and he said she is best mates with his sister who is 13.

Because of that I cancelled the meet with her mates and mine and they admitted they had lied to us. Now fast forward that 20 years on with Twitter and Text messages. I could well be in Jail now because of something that was out my control unless I asked them for a birth certificate.

Now I'm not saying these individuals were not aware of the age of these alleged victims at the time, and I may have missed where it is confirmed they were but it might not just be one way.

 

[Mr Pearse]

The one individual in question has committed a number of acts of harassment and manipulation. There are text messages, photos and even video footage which back these claims up.

Regardless of the outcome of any case Shawn would be foolish to allow him back onto videos.

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He would be foolish to let anyone who has had an allegation made against them back on to the channel. If he wants to protect the brand long term then it has to be just him going forward.

 

[RoyJess]

Met Shawn and he seems like a nice enough guy but ultimately he isn't handing this situation professionally or shown any compassion for the victims of this fiasco and it makes me reluctant to support him going forward. I think I will be scaling back how much of his videos I watch as a result

Like I said in an earlier post, I was involved in a court case last year, I took a company to court and won. It took over two years to bring to court, I was strongly advise not to post anything regarding the case on the net. Not only could this prejudice our case which we won by the way, if we had loss our case and had posted something on the net leading up to the court hearing, it could have been libellous against us.

From what I can see, is that TPWW are following the correct procedures. The time delay in putting out a statement might have been due to having to wait for legal advice before a statement could have been posted and it would have been worded by the legal team. I've had a lot of dealing with solicitors over the years and I can tell you that they are not the fasted people in the world when doing things, so if he posted a statement within 4 days of the allegations, then that is good going.

Any acknowledgement or apology could be perceived by the courts (or the other party in court) as an admission of guilt.

I'm only posting this from my own experience of the legal system, solicitors and the courts.

My views on anyone hitting on any under age child (even if no physical contact has taken place) is certainly not acceptable and should not be tolerated. Any allegations should be investigated properly and where found that they have fallen foul of the law, then the appropriate action should be taken. But shaming by social media is not the way to go.

 

[hannypanda]

I don't mean to argue with you again. But I will tell you a little story when I was 18. Me and my mates used to go swimming a lot and we bumped into some girls. These girls told us they were 16 and we started flirting and took a couple of their numbers and agreed to meet up on Friday. Two days later ahead of that Friday, I was walking back from college and bumped into one of the girls walking home from school. One of the lads I was with said Hi to her. I asked how he knew her and he said she is best mates with his sister who is 13.

Because of that I cancelled the meet with her mates and mine and they admitted they had lied to us. Now fast forward that 20 years on with Twitter and Text messages. I could well be in Jail now because of something that was out my control unless I asked them for a birth certificate.

Now I'm not saying these individuals were not aware of the age of these alleged victims at the time, and I may have missed where it is confirmed they were but it might not just be one way.

No arguments here.

I get what you're saying, but when there are multiple accounts about someone which are almost identical then eyebrows need to be raised.

When you then back that up with screenshots of said person repeatedly calling and facetiming people, messaging multiple people telling them he loves them and wants to be with them, messaging members of their family, deliberately travelling 3+ hours to meet people when they have expressed they are not comfortable with meeting and videos of him waiting outside gates for people it looks even more concerning.

The incident you were involved in was a one off, and by no means expresses a pattern. This is contrary to the individual involved in TPW, which certainly does follow a pattern.

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[Ils]

No arguments here.

I get what you're saying, but when there are multiple accounts about someone which are almost identical then eyebrows need to be raised.

When you then back that up with screenshots of said person repeatedly calling and facetiming people, messaging multiple people telling them he loves them and wants to be with them, messaging members of their family, deliberately travelling 3+ hours to meet people when they have expressed they are not comfortable with meeting and videos of him waiting outside gates for people it looks even more concerning.

The incident you were involved in was a one off, and by no means expresses a pattern. This is contrary to the individual involved in TPW, which certainly does follow a pattern.

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Then if that is the case that individual is a ........ Idiot!

 

[hannypanda]

Like I said in an earlier post, I was involved in a court case last year, I took a company to court and won. It took over two years to bring to court, I was strongly advise not to post anything regarding the case on the net. Not only could this prejudice our case which we won by the way, if we had loss our case and had posted something on the net leading up to the court hearing, it could have been libellous against us.

From what I can see, is that TPWW are following the correct procedures. The time delay in putting out a statement might have been due to having to wait for legal advice before a statement could have been posted and it would have been worded by the legal team. I've had a lot of dealing with solicitors over the years and I can tell you that they are not the fasted people in the world when doing things, so if he posted a statement within 4 days of the allegations, then that is good going.

Any acknowledgement or apology could be perceived by the courts (or the other party in court) as an admission of guilt.

I'm only posting this from my own experience of the legal system, solicitors and the courts.

My views on anyone hitting on any under age child (even if no physical contact has taken place) is certainly not acceptable and should not be tolerated. Any allegations should be investigated properly and where found that they have fallen foul of the law, then the appropriate action should be taken. But shaming by social media is not the way to go.

Totally understand your points here.

I don't, however, agree that if Shawn had acknowledged the situation it would have been taken as an admission of guilt. Based on what I've seen that's all the victims wanted, to know that he cared. I think something like that would have worked in his favour, and certainly got him a lot of credit from the community.

With regard to the charges, it is unlikely that charges will be brought without extensive evidence that a crime has been committed. From what I've seen the majority of acts were not what you would deem as breaking the law, and as such the likelihood is that individuals will escape charge.

As I have previously said, just because something is not illegal does not make it right. A lot of the reason why this has been broadcast around social media is because people believe others have a right to know if someone is creepy/untrustworthy. There is plenty of evidence to show that one individual has behaved extremely inappropriately, and as such the only way to prevent this happening further is to let people know about him.

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