TST County Council Elections 2013

[Joseph]

Where the hell is Insoc?
Oh wait that's every party!

 

[Martin]

One thing for sure though, I will be voting. I think not doing so is disgusting, even if you do turn up and spoil your paper effectively registering a 'none of the above'.

That statement is the most common sence I've seen in this thread, thousands of people have died to give us the opportunity to vote and to just not bother disrespects every single one of them.
I'll be turning up to vote just to write "waste of money" on the ballot paper.

My personal view is voting should be compulsory.

They died so we could choose. Part of being free to vote is being free to not vote. Otherwise it's not free.

 

[Harv]

You can't seriously talk about fighting for freedom, then state that given your way, you'd choose to remove freedom? :

 

[Scott]

I think that going in to vote and purposefully spoil your ballot is honestly stupider than not going at all. A spoilt ballot isn't some grand political gesture, it just gets ignored during the count...

If you're going to turn up and do that, why turn up at all? I don't see myself as a worse person because I'm not going to vote.


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[pluk]

I'm not suggesting people should be in some way legally compelled to vote, only the right to vote is something I hold dear and general apathy is one of the things which allows the crap we are living through now to happen. Spoiling ballot papers in any large number is in many ways pointless but does send a message.

I simply can not understand people not voting, especially of you are going to spend the next four years moaning about everything.

 

[ChocolateStarfish]

I think that going in to vote and purposefully spoil your ballot is honestly stupider than not going at all. A spoilt ballot isn't some grand political gesture, it just gets ignored during the count...

If you're going to turn up and do that, why turn up at all? I don't see myself as a worse person because I'm not going to vote.


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It doesn't get ignored, it gets counted as a spoiled paper and the amount of spoiled papers gets announced with the result.
Are you seriously saying that if after a count the number of spoiled papers was the majority of papers that nothing would be done, there would be public outrage and it would be impossible for the candidate with the second highest number of votes to take office.
It would completly shake up the political system and force politicians to appeal to the majority instead of a tiny minority that they do now knowing that that will get them elected as those people are more Likely to turn up and vote.
It doesn't take away any freedom to make voting compulsory, you still can choose who to vote for or tick a box on the bottom that says none of the above.

What really is silly is just sitting at home saying I'm not going to vote because I don't like any of the candidates and they haven't bothered trying to win my vote so I won't bother getting out of my bed and then complaining about the state of the country.

 

[Martin]

How? refusing to vote has exactly the same effect as a spoilt/none of the above vote.

If no candidate appeals to someone it's pointless turning out.

 

[Sam]

Abstaining from voting is not the same as spoiling your ballot.

Spoilt ballots get counted, and the numbers released. These are effectively 'none of the above' votes, i.e. a protest vote. Abstaining could either be a protest, or apathy. If you spoil your ballot, it's at least clear that you're making a protest vote.

 

[Tom]

I'm all for compulsory voting if 'none of the above' was an option, but there's a likelihood that that option would win.


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[Martin]

Abstaining from voting is not the same as spoiling your ballot.

Spoilt ballots get counted, and the numbers released. These are effectively 'none of the above' votes, i.e. a protest vote. Abstaining could either be a protest, or apathy. If you spoil your ballot, it's at least clear that you're making a protest vote.

Fair enough put like that.

Turns out we're not having elections. Which would explain why I had no idea there where any until UKIP started posting pictures of themselves Sieg Heiling.

 

[Fredward]

Aww I'm going to cry... Good thing I've got this unused voting slip to be used as a tissue.

That was a joke. By the way.

I respect your opinion that you have that will force me to vote, hopefully you can respect my opinion of not wanting to vote.

 

[IanB]

Just out of interest Fredward, what would it take for you to vote, or even if they banned guitar playing (or any of the thing you love doing), would you still not have an interest in voting.

No elections where I live either, just as well, as there is no point holding them with they way Labour wins all the time.

Ian

 

[Fredward]

I feel I'm not in a stage in my life to vote. Problem with a lot of students and people I. Their 20s is they vote before they have a life laid out for them.

They could all vote for a party that seems great, saving the world, ext. But soon find out in later life it makes your life difficult in your chosen field/makes other people's life more difficult.

Just because I'm over a certain age, does not mean I should vote.

No party benefits everyone. Every party will cause advantages and disadvantages to different people some worse then others. And no party can make everyone happy, without forcing people to change lifestyles ext. (which won't make anyone happy)

I don't vote, partly because I have no interest in politics, nor am I at the stage in my life to dictate how EVERY one else in this country should live their lives.

Maybe once I've established a good life and future ill vote for a party that appeals to me and I would have a view that is shared amongst the population.


Wrote this on my phone hopefully it makes sense.

 

[IanB]

I don't know about others but find your response interesting.

Do you vote for the party which is best for you, or the best for everyone? How do you know what is best for everyone? Does voting for something which is best for everyone mean something worse later on. Does voting for something which is best for you, mean something worse later on.

I think when you vote, you can not look back, and think that was a mistake, or that was a good vote. At the end of the day, if you think you voted for the wrong person, at least a couple of thousand other people will have as well (assuming they win the seat).

I guess the biggest problem with politics is that it is a popularity competition, and you need to appeal to as many people as possible, which means potentially the right thing to do has to be compromised to make it appeal to everyone.

Ian

 

[Fredward]

I always think back and remember people put Thatcher in power, people put Hitler in power. While its easy to blame the politician we put them in power.

and that's not because we are like them, they are just good politicians. it is a popularity contest and our choices can be swayed massively on who we vote for during the election and as you say we can regret it afterwards.

Politics is filled with flaws and is faaar to complicated to my liking. No matter who you vote for everyone seems to hate the current prime minister.

I'd rather stay out for the time being.

 

[Martin]

So that's pretty much the end of the BNP.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[MattyH]

So that's pretty much the end of the BNP.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Or not, I present the BNP's new political strategy.

There has been a lot written over the years concerning the gradual demise of the ethnic white British races. We all know that Muslims and Africans tend to have bigger families.

This will mean over the decades we may well end up like America, 51% non-white. So we must look at ways of building up the white population in Britain.

There are a few ways that this can be done. Firstly immigration of white Europeans, although this causes problems in jobs and housing, in the end if they stay their children will slowly become pro-British, or their children’s children will at least.

Doesn’t mean the old homeland is forgotten.
The second way is more fun. I would suggest that BNP members and nationalists across the schools of nationalism engage in making babies.

I know, by now you will be giggling over this suggestion. But think about it, nationalists need to buck the trend of 1.8 children per white household. We need to aim between 3 and 4 children each if not more.

And the bonus is that making babies is fun!
So fellow nationalists, less TV and more fun! Let’s do our bit for Britain and our race.

For those of us who have produced above the average 1.8 figure and can produce no-more, well done!

As the song goes, Make love not war

Told you I'm not lying, go here for proof

 

[Martin]

That's beyond self-parody, that's amazing AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[ChocolateStarfish]

At last a political party talking sence, making babies IS fun.

 

[Fredward]

yes but having to look after 4 kids so you can create more whites isn't...


having sex in the name of elitist racism isn't my idea of fun... but what do I know, you can call my disgusting for not voting... but at least I don't vote for elitist racism, so I can hold my head high for that.