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rob666 said:
He got some lovely new wallpaper in the No.11 flat.
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Which he didn’t even pay for.
Matt N said:
Isn’t a lot of this down to the world situation? I know that the UK is having lower growth than other G20 countries, but isn’t a lot of this down to the approach the UK took to dealing with COVID, and the rest of it is caused by COVID, Ukraine etc?
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Partially but countries in the EU are currently recovering much faster and some of them took tighter restrictions while others less so. Also Europe is very dependant on Russian gas, so if they are doing better even with the war the only real answer is that Brexit is part of the problem.
 
JAperson said:
Which he didn’t even pay for.

Partially but countries in the EU are currently recovering much faster and some of them took tighter restrictions while others less so. Also Europe is very dependant on Russian gas, so if they are doing better even with the war the only real answer is that Brexit is part of the problem.
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That was the point.
Squiggs said:
He didn't though. I thought it had started peeling off pretty quickly?
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Again, that was the point.
Sarcastic humour is so difficult to get across on the internet sometimes.../s
 
Matt N said:
Isn’t a lot of this down to the worldwide geopolitical situation? I know that the UK is having lower growth than other G20 countries, but isn’t a lot of this down to the approach the UK took to dealing with COVID, and the rest of it is caused by COVID, Ukraine etc?

I could be wrong there, though; that was just my thought.
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The government of Sri Lanka could say exactly the same thing as that could they not? Even in Sri Lanka though amidst all the corruption I don't think we've seen any stories yet of hammered presidential palace staff throwing up all over the carpets during lockdown (one hopes that the PM's newly decorated flat was OK. We know the renovations cost .... someone a lot of money).

It is a governments job the guide the country through such issues and they are failing to do so. It didn't stop them all blaming a global economic meltdown (the core ingredients of which were mainly baked up by Thatcher and Reagan in the 1980's) solely on the UK labour government so I'm damned if I'm going to let the stones be thrown from the current Tory glass house. We shouldn't forget the ideologically driven austerity which followed that ended up sucking growth out of our economy based on lies about Greece MK2 and the UK being on the verge of going cap in hand to the IMF. Now the economic situation is even worse due to the choices the government has made, where are all these lies now?

The situation in the country is so bad that we don't even need people like me or HM opposition to highlight them. Don't take my word for it, the Tory leadership candidates themselves are touring TV studios at the moment highlighting how bad everything is. Many of them have been willing participants in 12 years of failed government, some of that time with them having a thumping majority.

Worldwide Geopolitical issues will always crop up. We elect and pay for a government to steer us through them. It's clear they're not doing a good job of this. It's been 12 years now and things are only getting worse so there has to be a time when we start looking at what the common denominator is and I think the answer to that is patently obvious. No more excuses in my book. We do need a new PM, and someone like Liz Truss thought the UK government was doing mostly a sterling job this time last week, so much so she wants to be the "continuation" candidate. Great, let's put it to the people then and see how much they want things to continue as they are just by switching Johnson out for someone like for like just less corrupt.
 
rob666 said:
Sarcastic humour is so difficult to get across on the internet sometimes.../s
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You're only just learning this now?

Sarcasm and politics, also not a good combo... so talking politics on the interwebs and you're almost certainly onto a loser!
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Just watching the leaders debate.

Only just noticed that Risky Sunak has got very large ears.

The other bloke looks the most at ease of the 5.

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Have spent the last few days staying with a friend in Brussels, felt like a rather appropriate city from which to watch this begin to play out. And to ride Kondaa.

To see candidates running with “I’ll run the country like Thatcher” and “I will wage a war on woke” as headlining plays to the populace and their own party is just soul-crushing. They’re not even trying at this stage. Even Jeremy Hunt, who I would have (with a heavy heart and/or a gun to my head) preferred to become leader, simply on account of the fact he doesn’t seem to hate the NHS, pitched the lowest corporation tax in UK history. Meanwhile, their are working people dying in their own homes as they cannot afford to eat.

This arrogance suggests to me that the Tories feel assured that they will win at the next election, at least after the Murdoch press and the oligarchs have blessed the new direction and turned up the heat on Labour again. Unfortunately, they are probably right. The UK is in a trance, it’s almost like a mass spiritual crisis at this stage, existential terror beyond politics.

On the other hand, Kondaa was very good.
 
Plastic Person said:
This arrogance suggests to me that the Tories feel assured that they will win at the next election, at least after the Murdoch press and the oligarchs have blessed the new direction and turned up the heat on Labour again. Unfortunately, they are probably right. The UK is in a trance, it’s almost like a mass spiritual crisis at this stage, existential terror beyond politics.
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It almost feels like turkeys voting for Christmas. It's just so depressing that we're in this state.
 
I see the CWU have also voted to strike now. That adds to several others. Before long, health professionals, education professionals and many others will be too.

This is what 12 years of pay freezes/restraint and the watering down of terms and conditions does to morale. This is the fault of the government since David Cameron came to power.

Tolerance of current pay restraint would have been far higher had it not already been for the almighty arm of austerity. People have grown sick and tired of the total unfairness of pay policy.
 

pluk said:
I'm all for a bit of bashing of the atrocious options that present as the next leader of the UK, but let's keep it in some sort if reality, shall we? Hyperbole like this really devalues legitimate points.
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Admittedly I opted for emotive language out of frustration. But given that the UK is dealing with a cost of living crisis, a child poverty crisis, spiralling food bank usage, a looming energy crisis and zero plans from any of our potential incoming leaders as to how they might prioritise dealing with any of it, I’ll stand by my hyperbole on this particular occasion.
 
The Trussel Trust delivered over two million food parcels to desperate people, who had no income at all for food, last year.
A decade ago, they were delivering around forty thousand.
We now have an underclass that is literally starving, by the WHO definition, with no realistic government bale out, just begging from charity.
There are millions of people in this country, young and old, who are going without food on a regular basis, and the food they have is lacking in nutrition.
It is fair to say that there are a couple of million people in this country who are slowly starving, that were managing a few years ago.
You might not want to face that fact, but that is where we stand today.
No hyperbole.
 
The issue is; what is the solution to these issues? Presumably the government can’t provide support because the country can’t afford it, so where are we going to get this support from without raising our debt to dangerous levels and effectively bankrupting the country?
 
Out of interest, what EU red tape existed before Brexit?

It always felt to me like Brexit saw the introduction of red tape rather than the removal of it, but I’m clearly wrong there if “EU red tape” was widely seen as such an evil thing.
 
Matt N said:
It always felt to me like Brexit saw the introduction of red tape rather than the removal of it, but I’m clearly wrong there.
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The only thing you are ‘wrong’ about is believing what politicians say. Especially those in a leadership race.
 
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