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With Sunak though the Tories spent months having a leadership election only for him to lose to Liz Truss when the party members voted.
Then she quits after 49 days, and the tory leadership effectively immediately changed the rules so that no one else would likely be able to get enough MPs support to challenge Sunak to a leadership vote (which he'd have probably lost again).
 
John_P said:
With Sunak though the Tories spent months having a leadership election only for him to lose to Liz Truss when the party members voted.
Then she quits after 49 days, and the tory leadership effectively immediately changed the rules so that no one else would likely be able to get enough MPs support to challenge Sunak to a leadership vote (which he'd have probably lost again).
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Yes but that’s up to the Tory party to do, their game their rules.

Maybe next time we get a referendum on constitutional changes that will make a difference to our demoncracy (like introducing PR) brits will pay attention, rather than just paying attention to the self destructive ones like Brexit.
 
In a ruling that will surprise nobody, the Supreme Court have declared the plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is unlawful and cannot proceed. So far £140m has been spaffed on this

www.standard.co.uk

Supreme Court rules it would be unlawful to send asylum seekers to Rwanda

Justices ruled on Wednesday the policy is unlawful due to serious deficiencies in Rwanda's asylum system
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I expect that this will just embolden the far right calls to leave the ECHR though.
 
This was always about a hard right plot to leave the ECHR and vilify foreigners, spearheaded by that wicked person Braverman. They had choices to better engage with the French, provide better provision for asylum claim processing on the continent and spend more cash on border security.

Instead, they've picked fights with our neighbouring allies and presided over a failed and stretched asylum system. I suspect the hope was that they could always whip up some hatred if all else fails.
 
Old 30p Lee got himself a nice cushy role after defecting from Labour.

Gotta keep fighting that culture war after all.
 
The paradox of the Conservative Party is that the people that fund it want virtually endless free-flow immigration to drive down wages in the businesses they run; but anti-immigration rhetoric is often a vote winner.

It is very easy to stop or reduce immigration of all types if you really want to, but in reality they don’t, and hence the issue goes on as a “news” item forever with ever more hysteria and fantasy. In reality numbers are not going down, and are probably still going up.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

More than 50 Labour MPs defy Sir Keir to vote for an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war.
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...and then the opposition goes and implodes itself over a vote that has no actual consequence as the involved parties will neither know not care about it. This is the sort of stupidity that let's the tories get back in. Absolutely infuriating.
 
pluk said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

More than 50 Labour MPs defy Sir Keir to vote for an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war.
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...and then the opposition goes and implodes itself over a vote that has no actual consequence as the involved parties will neither know not care about it. This is the sort of stupidity that let's the tories get back in. Absolutely infuriating.
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It's things like this that really anger me about Starmer.

I've grown to like the guy and what he stands for because I've done some hard research. But Joe Public are too busy paying their inflated mortgages and spending much of their time on the phone trying to get GP and dentist appointments to do such research. So along comes people like Suella Braverman and Lee Anderson to fill that void, saying outrageous things.

Like Braverman's attempt to spread lies about asylum seekers, Starmer is so concerned about crucifying Labours antisemitic past, and distancing himself from his incompetent predecessor, that he's making absurd gaffs like this. No matter which way you watch it, he is indeed on record justifying Israel cutting off water and electricity to populations in Gaza. Then he has the stupidity to whip his own MP's on an issue like this.

If he'd taken a free-vote stance, the controversy would have lasted 5 mins then we'd go back to talking about the continuous woes of our current government. But whipping his MP's and having his authority undermined in such a way vindicates the "they're all the same/we're screwed either way" voters.

I think this also highlights how disunited Labour still is. It's all very well waiting for the enemy to shoot themselves in the foot numerous times and laughing from the sidelines, but this whole saga points the spotlight away from an incompetent and desperate Prime Minister, leading a disunited party that has ruined this country in 13 years of failed government, and on to the party that, by default, are supposed to fix it.

On a day where the Supreme Court have ruled that government policy is illegal, a sacked Home Secretary is publicly attacking the Prime Minister, and the Vice-president of the Conservative party is leading a charge to persuade the government to break international laws that were put in place in the wake of the Nazi's changing German domestic laws to make it legal to murder millions of people and invade other countries, the government in waiting look weak and ill-disciplined.
 
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Starmer just another Tory. Goes to Liverpool, makes a big deal about Hillsborough law. Then writes a piece in the scum. Twat.

Good on those labour MP's for actually standing up to him. Jesse Phillips has her downsides but when she needs to she can make a scene. See how he deals with that, usual defence is to boot them out the party. Weak.
 
I think Starmer has become increasingly cowardly when his alleged virtue and ethics could be wielded as a tool. He has got this one seriously wrong, and I suspect he's got his imagine future cosied up to the Americans in mind. The mood amongst the UK public is clearly weighted towards a ceasefire.
 
Hmmmm...
The cost of Covid to government, assessed at around £350,000,000,000, or around five grand per person, all on top of normal government spending, all in the last few years.
But hey, the good old Chancellor has found a few bob down the back of the settee, (not sofa), and we can all have a little tax cut.
Anyone would think there was a general election round the corner..
 
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The cost of Covid to government, assessed at around £350,000,000,000, or around five grand per person, all on top of normal government spending, all in the last few years.
But hey, the good old Chancellor has found a few bob down the back of the settee, (not sofa), and we can all have a little tax cut.
Anyone would think there was a general election round the corner..
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And the guy, who told us there was no magic money tree, that we had to "deal with the deficit", that we couldn't afford to grow the economy, that there was no money for aircraft carriers or disabled people, all based on lies about us going bust ike Greece, has rejoined the government.
 
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And the guy, who told us there was no magic money tree, that we had to "deal with the deficit", that we couldn't afford to grow the economy, that there was no money for aircraft carriers or disabled people, all based on lies about us going bust ike Greece, has rejoined the government.
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In the pig botherer's slight defence, the magic money tree was Theresa's line.

Unfortunately though the only real alternative is peddling the same myth.
www.theguardian.com

Why is Starmer peddling the Tory ‘magic money tree’ line on public spending? It’s just bad economics | Frances Ryan

In such times of crisis, smart state investment is to be welcomed, not feared, says the Guardian columnist Frances Ryan
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I really, really, want to like Starmer, but he makes it bloody hard to do so. A wolf in Blair's clothing.
 
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One week they don't want you to spend any money because it will push inflation up. The next week they want you to have more money in your pocket to spend by cutting income tax. These people are just the worst humans. Can't see how cutting tax will help improve the terrible public services we're enduring...
 
Slugjc said:
I get a feeling labour backbenchers are beginning to get fed up with him.
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Why do you say that? I don't see any evidence of this except for a disagreement on Gaza.

Labour are ahead in the polls and I don't see why anybody would suggest they need to change course dramatically.
 
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