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I’ve been reading the internet again
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Now covid19 has been added to the reportable death list
If you went into hospital and died of cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this would be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection.
This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections.

Now the cause of death is recorded as covid19
We see a big increase in so-called covid19 deaths

Sad that these people would have died anyway. But we now don’t know how many actually die just because of covid. we now don’t know how deadly it is.
 
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Not sure if you guys have seen the BBC interview with the Swedish Minister but it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for their plan. Seems to have taken the Ivan Drago "if he dies, he dies" approach. I don't entirely disagree with his logic though.

One thing for sure is that there is no mapped out plan on how to fix this and we'll only be able to see the best strategy in hindsight.

Lockdown is a flawed plan but it is a long game and until we have a vaccine or a pill to abate symptoms, it's the one that makes the most sense to preserve life. But at what cost?

 
I think it was only 2/3 weeks ago when I predicted that they would start getting fed up of the economy getting absolutely battered along with causing other problems in society and that they would start to change their minds. Looks like they're bricking it even sooner than I suspected. It's like Labour say really: For The Many, Not The Few (who will unfortunately die).
 
I'm a fan of the herd immunity approach.

An economic disaster could bring about a death toll that is even higher through loss of income for those on the breadline, suicide etc.

Sweden are much better placed to take that approach though because their healthcare system hasn't been criminally underfunded for over a decade.
 
It will all be worth it.
The mass unemployment
The collapsed economy
The huge spike in suicides
The mental health crisis.
All those needing hospital treatment that has been ignored, now dead

It will all be worth it
 
bluesonichd said:
It will all be worth it.
The mass unemployment
The collapsed economy
The huge spike in suicides
The mental health crisis.
All those needing hospital treatment that has been ignored, now dead

It will all be worth it
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Which approach are you referring to here?

I think the question the government needs to ask themselves is; do they want sanctity of life or quality of life for those left behind? Do they want to save the lives of the vulnerable, or do they want to make life better for those who are left behind by reducing the economic impact?
 
Matt N said:
Which approach are you referring to here?

I think the question the government needs to ask themselves is; do they want sanctity of life or quality of life for those left behind? Do they want to save the lives of the vulnerable, or do they want to make life better for those who are left behind by reducing the economic impact?
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The current one of locking everyone up
Closing everything down
Putting hard working people out of business

And if it’s ever over

People having to try and piece together their shattered lives
because the world over reacted.
The government over reacted.
The media brought on mass hysteria and cause the people to overreact
 
bluesonichd said:
The current one of locking everyone up
Closing everything down
Putting hard working people out of business

And if it’s ever over

People having to try and piece together their shattered lives
because the world over reacted.
The government over reacted.
The media brought on mass hysteria and cause the people to overreact
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Stop it, the economy will come back. Lives don't. If anyone is bankrupted during this that's preventable and a failure of Conservative policy.
 
Herd immunity is ok provided there are enough hospital beds and ventilators to deal with the outfall. Part of my job now is working through the figures for the hospital i work in and I can tell you now there are just as many in the 30-55 age bracket that are needing medical help as compared to the elderly.

Before we can go down thale herd immunity route we need to

1. Have the hospital capacity (beds,ventilators, staff) so the majority of people can recover
2. Establish exactly how long this immunity lasts, of a second infection is more lethal, and if the immunity protects against the other strains (now 3)
3. Have some form of drug treatment to offer people in hospital to increase recovery rates and speed. The anti malaria drug is the only one so far showing consistent results here.

I fear until we know more about this immunity that we are relying on it too much as a way out. It may only last 2-3 months before everyone catches it again and round and round we go again in the winter.... Along with the usual seasonal flu!
 
speedy said:
Stop it, the economy will come back. Lives don't. If anyone is bankrupted during this that's preventable and a failure of Conservative policy.
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Not really. It's not the governments job to just give everyone handouts for an unlimited period of time. It doesn't 'have to' do that. Nature has dealt a cruel blow by this virus spreading around the globe and it's very unlucky for a lot of people that their industries have been effected more than others. Unless you meant that it's the fault of the government for actually shutting everything down in the first place (a view that I have some sympathy for). The economy will not just 'come back' either, the working man will be paying through the nose through various taxes etc for many years to pay for all of the people/companies being bailed out at the moment. Brexit pails into an absolute insignificance now whichever side you're on.
 
GaryH said:
I fear until we know more about this immunity that we are relying on it too much as a way out. It may only last 2-3 months before everyone catches it again and round and round we go again in the winter.... Along with the usual seasonal flu!
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the only way out of that then is mass genocide of the entire world population o_O
 
bluesonichd said:
The current one of locking everyone up
Closing everything down
Putting hard working people out of business

And if it’s ever over

People having to try and piece together their shattered lives
because the world over reacted.
The government over reacted.
The media brought on mass hysteria and cause the people to overreact
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Lets do a little fact check here, you paranoid fool.
Everyone isnt locked up.
Just been out for essential work.
People doing essential shopping, taking safe exercise and walking dogs.
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Everything isnt closed down, shops, petrol stations, trains, busses all still running.
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Putting hard working people out of business.
No sorry, 80% support for small businesses up to 50ķ of profits for established small businesses, same for major employers.
The government is doing what it thinks is best, and many people feel the people in power havent acted enough to tackle the crisis, so do you have the benefit of seeing into the future.
And if you are suggesting mass genocide, could I suggest you lead by example.

Why do you keep telling big fat lies?
 
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