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Towers Loving Care

I don't know what part of my original post was so hard to understand? No one is objecting to the corkscrews being repainted, but hands up who has mentioned before that they needed some urgent TLC.......?

We've already established that the TLC budget is so tight that the park can't operate past 4pm and can only afford to do the Nemesis track and station if it's spread across 4 seasons. So why spending a few grand on repainting something that could have waited till year 4, when the Oblivion and Smiler queue lines look like they do, is seen as a good use of limited funds is beyond me.

They did not need urget TLC but I did look at them last year and they were a bit of a mess with paint peeling off all over the place. And this is exactly what they should be doing, maintaining things before they get to a point whereby they look woefully bad and need more money spending on them than they might otherwise do.

The same applies for Hex going forward, there is almost no point in doing what they have this closed season if they are not going to maintain and clean it over the next few years to keep it in a good condition.

Also who's to say that The Smiler's queue has not been addressed? I have no idea myself but we can hope that they've taken the jet wash over to it!

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I dont see a problem with them painting the corckscrews, any major amusement parks enterence is kept pristine. Its probably the most iconic shot of towers, apart from the actual towers that is posted to social media. It doesnt look good when a picture of the parks enterance looks old and falling apart, its probably offputting to visiters who have not been.

The smilers queue isnt anything special, but it isnt bad either. needs some TLC defenitly, but I dont really think it will, and if it does it wont be the TLC that will fix its flaws. Oblivion I think will probably have a full redo sometime though, I would love them to do a queue line like Oblivion the black hole, because that is hands down merlins best themed queue line, its outstanding for merlin actually, and there isnt that much too it. They have the space to do it too. Honestly, I dont think it will be long until all of lower X-Sector is redone because its 1 of 2 main area's of the park and its probably the worsed themed area in the park, as an area, the rides are decently themed.

I think the lack of permanent TLC to rita though is suggesting its being removed in the coming years, probably a year or two after SW9. Here is me hoping for a mack multi launch that dives down the hill under the skyride, I know they cant really build there but even if it just has a view of that great view ill be impressed. They got a good themed area too, but Rita has always lacked the theme and its pretty impossible to do anything with.
 
I don't think anything can be inferred by a ride's lack of TLC this year. And I don't really think it's fair to say Alton Towers "has got a maintenance programme and other UK parks havn't", in that sense anyway.

Really there is no such thing as "TLC", you either maintain your park properly or you don't. The only reason this has been branded and given a platform on social media is to try and sell something out of hot air, while making a point that more work is being done than was previously.

But there was no scenic maintenance programme before and there isn't really now either. The Ents team have just been given more money and responsibility to be able to do this, probably after a lot of pleading from them. So that's fantastic for what it is.

But.. Until Merlin, the company, stops classifying & funding its park maintenance the corner-cutting way it currently does across the board, and stops relying on the hard work and stingy budgets of its in-house teams to get ESSENTIAL things done (or even duped volunteers like we saw recently at Thorpe Park), that will be the real breakthrough. They have the money to do it tomorrow, but choose not to.

We are also VERY lucky that there appears to people with the right mindset involved with Ents/TLC at Alton Towers. You only need to look at Chessington's similar in-house 'improvements' to see how subjective these things are, and why they really shouldnt be left to in-house teams to co-ordinate at all ( while there are many professional show & technical designers out there going without work too).

Merlin has got to start budgeting properly for its parks' own scenic, AV & effects maintenance.
 
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I don't really think it's fair to say Alton Towers "has got a maintenance programme and other UK parks havn't", in that sense anyway.

Its fact though, what other UK park has painted 2 coasters, redid toilets, roads around the park, clean signs, refurb a huge dark ride, fully strip and repaint a flat ride, paint up the entrance and main street buildings, paint up a full area and maintain all the theming in another area. No where. Smaller parks such as paultons, flamingo land and maybe chessington do the decent bit in there off season, but no park has ever went anywhere near Alton has this year.. In america though, to parks with the same budget, sometimes even less [Seaworld/Busch mainly] do this on a yearly basis, the UK do not, I dont get how its unfair to say what I said for that reason, Its not a bad thing as there isnt as much need for it, but to lighten the weight of alton, they have innovated the industry slightly, and hopefully the effect of it leads to other parks doing it to the same extent, someone has to be the trend setter in the UK industry or it will never be done.

As for the rest of your comment, I do agree with. The programme would be much more effective if it was over 1 year as any guest will see the improvements. over the 4 years is a cheap method, and the TLC team is only a few people.. It needed done though and atleast they decided to spend money on making the park look better rather than wasting it on something else stupid
 
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What other park??? They are mostly owned by Merlin. What other park left it's attractions to get in such a state?

Hex and driving school were closed for over a year.
 
Its fact though, what other UK park has painted 2 coasters, redid toilets, roads around the park, clean signs, refurb a huge dark ride, fully strip and repaint a flat ride, paint up the entrance and main street buildings, paint up a full area and maintain all the theming in another area. No where.
We actually see a lot less of this scenic maintenance than we used to only 20 odd years ago here in the UK, even though it is essential in the long run. So it is a strategy change to save money, to put it simply, and it shouldnt be that way.

I don't actually think anything Alton Towers have done this year is more or less than an average closed season for a UK park. The only difference is, it's barely happened at all in recent memory - and specific things like Hex & Nemesis have been desperately needing it for over a decade. Things have been done far better this time - and promoted so you that notice, but there's no big chasm between Alton Towers and other parks.

I have worked at parks over winter and there's actually a large amount you'd never know went on, only difference is that it's not guest facing, so I think you overplay the scale of what they've actually done this winter.

"Fully strip and repaint a flat ride" - ALL attractions get fully stripped every winter at every park by law, and as for cleaning signs, surfacing ancient roads and replacing 25 year old toilets - seriously that was quite poor of them to promote to guests. We shouldnt be sucking up to them for the basics of all basics like this.

The only way Alton Towers will influence the rest the UK industry with their TLC smokescreen, is by letting other parks dupe their guests and their own staff in the same way. When what actually needs to happen is a top-down change of attitude and policy by Merlin.
 
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There's only really been THAT much to do because the park was in such a state in the first place...

It's all well and good this stuff, but now it needs to be done on a regular basis, not when trying to paint a picture if everything is fine to enthusiasts, who kinda see through any PR guff (usually)...
 
Its fact though, what other UK park has painted 2 coasters, redid toilets, roads around the park, clean signs, refurb a huge dark ride, fully strip and repaint a flat ride, paint up the entrance and main street buildings, paint up a full area and maintain all the theming in another area. No where. Smaller parks such as paultons, flamingo land and maybe chessington do the decent bit in there off season, but no park has ever went anywhere near Alton has this year.. In america though, to parks with the same budget, sometimes even less [Seaworld/Busch mainly] do this on a yearly basis, the UK do not.

You can't really use seaworld and Busch Gardens as a comparison, those parks are open all year round and towers doesn't. They had three and a half months give or take between each new season to keep the park looking up to date but they didn't. That's why there's such a big difference between all these before and after shots they're posting all over Twitter and acting like it's impressive. It shouldn't be impressive, it's just sad that it got so bad in the first place. The difference between them shouldn't be that different because they should have been keeping on top of that every year during closed season. And that is why no other UK park is doing as much as towers, they don't NEED to.
 
I don't think you can compare the us of a parks to British parks. Because the money, scale and sheer power of those places just doesn't exist over here.

TLC, exist for reason.... Us on this very website and other such websites. Joe public doesn't care the hex Is has been sprinkled with fairly dust, or nemesis has been painted. We do. Mr. and Mrs bloggs can live with pot holes on the car park. We do.

TLC is a proper gander tool. Child of the modern age where firms feel the need to keep the "errmagod" brigade onside. Keep us onside we can promote it better then any marketing campaign. "we've listened to you, we've done what you want!"

Just be grateful they are doing stuff. Finaly.
 
IJoe public doesn't care the hex Is has been sprinkled with fairly dust, or nemesis has been painted. We do. Mr. and Mrs bloggs can live with pot holes on the car park. We do.
They certainly do. They won't go out of their way to vocalise it or even think about it once they're out the park, but it's all a part of their day. If you could put two experiences side by side, a broken lame Hex with worn out effects and a general passé feel, next to Hex as it was on opening day, any Joe public would react much better to the latter one and the ride would really give a fun experience.

Put driving along a massively potholed road next to a properly maintained road, and they would be left with a much less bitter taste in their mouths if it was the latter too, especially considering how much theyve paid.

And clearly, stick any old person next to Nemesis looking stained and dirty, their imagination isn't going to spark. They're just going to want to get on the ride and wonder what the heck this monster thing is. There's no point even having the creature if its going to look such a mess, might as well have a tin shed for all they care.

But then stick them next to Nemesis looking beastly and vivid again, as it was intended, and most would be given a far better impression - the creature actually has a presence in the area, even if just subconsciously to every guest - and brilliantly for the more observant (most children are often underestimated for their imagination and how impressionable they are to these things).

I don't totally agree with "just be grateful they are doing stuff" because - as far as the industry is concerned - they're still not doing the right stuff. They've just found a way to make it look like they are, while making it a different department's responsibility. Still not spending the money properly on the whole and are just relying on the enthusiasm of their in house teams to make do with the money they can get together. More money is being spent on these things than before, so it's a start, but its still something of a lie.

They've been doing piecemeal projects like these for years before the 'TLC' idea anyway. Oblivion's buildings being re-clad (not very well), and X Sector paint jobs (also poor quality), Duel's endless tweaks by a revolving door of in-house people, buildings often being painted, signs cleaned and all that. The only difference is, it's now being branded and is better skilled. I'm very grateful that by luck it is now much better co-ordinated, thanks to the instinct of the people in charge, but it shouldnt have to be this piecemeal in-house system.
 
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They certainly do. They won't go out of their way to vocalise it or even think about it once they're out the park, but it's all a part of their day. If you could put two experiences side by side, a broken lame Hex with worn out effects and a general passé feel, next to Hex as it was on opening day, any Joe public would react much better to the latter one and the ride would really give a fun experience.

Put driving along a massively potholed road next to a properly maintained road, and they would be left with a much less bitter taste in their mouths if it was the latter too, especially considering how much theyve paid.

And clearly, stick any old person next to Nemesis looking stained and dirty, their imagination isn't going to spark. They're just going to want to get on the ride and wonder what the heck this monster thing is. There's no point even having the creature if its going to look such a mess, might as well have a tin shed for all they care.

But then stick them next to Nemesis looking beastly and vivid again, as it was intended, and most would be given a far better impression - the creature actually has a presence in the area, even if just subconsciously to every guest - and brilliantly for the more observant (most children are often underestimated for their imagination and how impressionable they are to these things).

I don't totally agree with "just be grateful they are doing stuff" because - as far as the industry is concerned - they're still not doing the right stuff. They've just found a way to make it look like they are, while making it a different department's responsibility, yet still not spending the money properly and are just relying on the enthusiasm of their in house teams to make do with the money they can get together. More money spent on these things than before, so it's a start, but its still something of a lie.


That they might. Agree that they would be peeved off about things not working. Pot holes. Etc. Dont think they'll be sat at a computer, smart phoneipadnotebook, desperate to find out hole is filled. Nemmy is painted, or hex is working.

What the public want is a cheaper entrance prices!!

Least its not flamingo land
 
I think you both have good points. I think the public do care about the state of the park but the smokescreen of being excited of being there and wanting to go on everything has a way of beautifying the park.

Work did need to be done and it got to a point where people were starting to realise this. There was never going to be huge changes that we have all wished for but at the end of the day it is progress. The park is being cleaned and scrubbed and we have to appreciate it.
 
And that is why no other UK park is doing as much as towers, they don't NEED to.

Oh I don't know about that. There are certain UK parks I can think of that need more TLC than Towers ever did.

I get the park should have carried out maintenance more frequently before letting it get to state where it needed a 3 year TLC program, but I don't agree that the park was in a totally abject state before TLC began. Shabby and badly looked after in places yes, but it was hardly falling apart like some make it out to have been.
 
I think the Nemesis TLC looks really good, I went at the end of the season last year and it looked awful.

I imagine that people will have pictures taken next to Nemesis and the monster which then gets posted on social media and it may change people minds to go the park if it looks like it's being taken care off, for me Thorpe park is closer but I would rather go to Alton as I prefer the layout of the park and the rides. I still enjoy Thorpe, but prefer Alton. Social media is a big tool and could increase park visitors, I just hope they have increased the signage and made it a bit more clear especially with the path closure as you do get people walking around like they are a bit lost.
 
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Just a quick update from visiting the Waterpark yesterday.

Some theming and structures have been re-painted e.g. the tipping buckets and posts while most of the rockwork has now been coated in a smooth fibre glass and painted brown as opposed to the textured rocks which are underneath. More lockers are in the process of being added to the changing area and the outdoor pools are currently drained for maintenance.
 
Would be good if they are fixing all the water features and cannons no longer working around the waterpark and the "look out" as well
 
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