In this climate I don’t assume anything, I’m taking in the data like a good citizen and making my own decisions.
Show me the data from .gov or ons or NHs England that proves your point and not just your assumption.
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Show me the data from .gov or ons or NHs England that proves your point and not just your assumption.
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tayspru
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I ask you two questions .
1) what other restrictions were lifted alongside schools reopening ?
2) did cases increase sharply after September 1st
The answers to those clears most of this up. Now as for the rest of the points I made that you choose to ignore, I can’t help you there. Vaccines are always “new” and “untested” as their components are changed every year.
Show me the data and I’m all in baby.
Bad dirty children!
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tayspru
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Ok I’ll bite
September 1st. Hospitality has been open at limited capacity for 2 months. Only ONE change is made to Covid policy and that is allowing schools to reopen.
New cases per day - 1,295
1st October. Schools have been open for 1 month, and despite no other changes to restrictions on other sectors, cases have risen rapidly. Hundreds of school classes are being disrupted due to self isolation of entire year groups.
New cases per day - 6,914
1st November. Due to rapidly rising cases, hospitality and other sectors face a tiered lockdown, schools remain open
New cases per day - 23,254
1st January. Many sectors including hospitality have been closed for two months. Schools have remained open. Some restrictions were eased for 5 days to allow for families to meet for Christmas
New cases per day - 57,724
All figures from the gov.U.K. Website, compiled and placed on the following interactive chart
Coronavirus disease 2019 https://g.co/kgs/kH4dXL
As I’ve said, the only material change to policy came with the opening of schools, other sectors did not change their Covid rules in September and many then closed, but cases continued to rise. If it wasn’t education then what was it ?
September 1st. Hospitality has been open at limited capacity for 2 months. Only ONE change is made to Covid policy and that is allowing schools to reopen.
New cases per day - 1,295
1st October. Schools have been open for 1 month, and despite no other changes to restrictions on other sectors, cases have risen rapidly. Hundreds of school classes are being disrupted due to self isolation of entire year groups.
New cases per day - 6,914
1st November. Due to rapidly rising cases, hospitality and other sectors face a tiered lockdown, schools remain open
New cases per day - 23,254
1st January. Many sectors including hospitality have been closed for two months. Schools have remained open. Some restrictions were eased for 5 days to allow for families to meet for Christmas
New cases per day - 57,724
All figures from the gov.U.K. Website, compiled and placed on the following interactive chart
Coronavirus disease 2019 https://g.co/kgs/kH4dXL
As I’ve said, the only material change to policy came with the opening of schools, other sectors did not change their Covid rules in September and many then closed, but cases continued to rise. If it wasn’t education then what was it ?
Sooo all that data is before vaccine roll out.
Anyone who hasn’t been stuck at home since March last year has kinda been running as normal after the first 3 months of furlough, everyone started coming back to work early July 2020
I remember going to London last July/august when we were as free as a bird. Yummy eat out to help out etc.
What’s your 2021 point of view with almost all the adult population are vaccinated. Surely that would differ from nov 2020 and your stance on the possibility that kids are the reason this continues.
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tayspru
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My “2021 point of view” is that in June and July, adults were already returned to work with no massive change in infection rates, but lots of mitigation. Schools and education opened without masks and with less distancing than workplaces and the numbers skyrocketed.
Sooo all that data is before vaccine roll out.
Anyone who hasn’t been stuck at home since March last year has kinda been running as normal after the first 3 months of furlough, everyone started coming back to work early July 2020
I remember going to London last July/august when we were as free as a bird. Yummy eat out to help out etc.
What’s your 2021 point of view with almost all the adult population are vaccinated. Surely that would differ from nov 2020 and your stance on the possibility that kids are the reason this continues.
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I look forward to the government data to confirm your theories.
Dirty unwashed children
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tayspru
TS Member
Offer me an alternative reason as to why the cases might have risen from September ? What else fundamentally changed ?
BigT
TS Member
Universities also returned and more cases were at universities as I remember.
Also from September people were mixing more inside as the weather was starting to get colder.
Whilst there obviously was some transmission in schools its not as simple to say it was just schools, other factors were at play.
Going by your logic cases will tumble from next week when schools stop for summer.
Also from September people were mixing more inside as the weather was starting to get colder.
Whilst there obviously was some transmission in schools its not as simple to say it was just schools, other factors were at play.
Going by your logic cases will tumble from next week when schools stop for summer.
tayspru
TS Member
It’s actually looking surprisingly likely, albeit offset by widespread lifting of restrictions so ultimately we’ll never know. Primary age children weren’t distancing or wearing masks whereas older and university age did. I’ll have a dig for the article but the data showed a lot of new cases were coming from those with links to primary education settings
I’m not offering anything, it’s your argument to justify why unvaccinated kids in school are the cause of increased deaths!
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tayspru
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I said that kids mixing without restrictions Increased cases, and more cases leads to more deaths. Vaccination helps stop spread of viruses, that’s a fact. There’s nothing more to be added as Covid will inevitably be introduced alongside the “big 6” annual immunisations to reduce the risk to others. As mentioned above evidently vaccines are having a massive impact and it’s not unreasonable to suggest that they should be offered to children at the earliest safe time.
Benzin
TS Member
Remember this January when the government expressly said schools were safe and if you don't reopen you're in trouble?
Then they changed their minds and lockdowned (kind of) again?
Must've been some reason behind that. Maybe kids are just as likely to have it and spread it (I mean kids are disgusting creatures at the best of times and easily prone to colds and other things)? But I'm not a parent so what would I know.
Then they changed their minds and lockdowned (kind of) again?
Must've been some reason behind that. Maybe kids are just as likely to have it and spread it (I mean kids are disgusting creatures at the best of times and easily prone to colds and other things)? But I'm not a parent so what would I know.
imanautie
TS Member
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57786794
"Covid: Fully jabbed NHS staff may not have to isolate"
That seems unwise
"Covid: Fully jabbed NHS staff may not have to isolate"
That seems unwise
BigT
TS Member
I don’t think anyone is disputing the vaccines work.
That is a different discussion as to whether the risk v reward makes it worthwhile for children to have them.
BigT
TS Member
Yes, ever is along time.
Agreed there is NO reward to the individual child having the vaccine.
Children having the vaccine reduces transmission of the virus not just to other children but also adults, many of which would be more vulnerable than the children, eg those with poor immune systems, but more importantly, the more people vaccinated and the less people the virus can infect, the less chance of new variants coming along which may completely evade vaccines.