Coronavirus

[NuttySquirrel]

I know it’s not really for me to question the government’s decision-making, and I’m sure Boris & co are right and I’m wrong; they’re the ones seeing the data, and they’re the ones who know about COVID and what it will do in certain circumstances.

It most definitely IS for you to question the government's decision making; we live in a democracy.

I've met Boris Johnson and had a ridiculous discussion with him about filthy Latin poetry. What makes you think he has any more sense than the average Joe, or that he knows any more about Covid than you do? He's made it plainly obvious in the past that he's prepared to ignore the advice of the experts and pay no attention to facts that are staring him and everyone else in the face.

 

[monkeyboy]

You’re literally so wrong that I honestly fail to see the point in trying to counter argument. The point of vaccines has been so well documented that to say a vaccine is to protect yourself is categorically incorrect and a completely ignorant view. Other vaccines are given to kids (remember they’re all modified each year too so are just as supposedly “untested” as this one)

So why don’t we mandate flu vaccines for kids every year and not just the vulnerable.

Btw are you speaking from a parent point of view?


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[Thameslink Rail]

So why don’t we mandate flu vaccines for kids every year and not just the vulnerable.


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We do
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/child-flu-vaccine/

 

[monkeyboy]

This is such a dangerously incorrect statement.

Why would that be??


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[monkeyboy]

We do
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/child-flu-vaccine/

I didn’t say they couldn’t have one or it wasn’t available. Slightly different into being pressured into having a covid vaccine forced upon a child as part of a program.

Should we say that kids can’t go back to school if they haven’t had a jab. Maybe we should have isolation rooms or permanent zoom teaching for those parents who don’t want to get their children jabbed. What do you think?


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[Matt N]

Oh dear; looks like heart inflammation is now being listed as a “very rare” side effect of Pfizer & Moderna: https://apple.news/ATYUvJiwlQxmKRJQ4QyY3BQ

Is this going to be a repeat of AstraZeneca/Janssen and blood clots, or is this less common?

 

[Thameslink Rail]

I didn’t say they couldn’t have one or it wasn’t available. Slightly different into being pressured into having a covid vaccine forced upon a child as part of a program.

Should we say that kids can’t go back to school if they haven’t had a jab. Maybe we should have isolation rooms or permanent zoom teaching for those parents who don’t want to get their children jabbed. What do you think?


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As I understand it, no one is being forced to have any vaccination. The NHS has a list of vaccinations that it recommends children get through their childhood from the 6-in-1, MenB and Rotavirus vaccines at 8 weeks to the 3-in-1 teenage booster and MenACWY vaccines at 14 years (as well as a vaccine schedule for the elderly and for pregnant women). The list is a guide and parents can always say no to these vaccines and it doesn't affect their children's ability to attend education (although I would say this is bad parenting).
Covid vaccines will be the same, we are not a police state and we cannot force anyone to have the vaccine against their will and refusing one will not force anyone into isolation or zoom only (unless of course they contract Covid in which case they only have themselves to blame).
I hope I have got everything right.

 

[BigT]

There is no way this government would try and mandate forced jabs for children, they are not that silly.
Equally not many parents would give consent for a vaccine that is this new, tested or not it’s too risky.
This is a report released today that shows children are very unlikely to be effected by actually getting covid short or long term.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57766717
For children the “cure” has and remains many, many, many times more dangerous.

 

[tayspru]

Funnily enough before Covid hit mandatory vaccination was being very seriously considered due to the rise in cases of meningitis. Of course since Covid everyone has become a vaccine expert so there’s going to be more pushback than before, but it’s definitely a very important part of public health to ensure vaccination uptake remains high - not just for Covid, but for diseases that have previously not been found in the U.K. for years such as meningitis

 

[Benzin]

Why are these vaccines too risky for kids?

Or is it the whole "vaccines cause autism" thing?

To say that we only vaccinate to protect ourselves is so unequivocally incorrect a statement it worries me that a lot of people perceive life in this manner. There's a reason long thought "dead" diseases are coming back with an increase in "anti-vax" beliefs. Populations are vaccinated to ensure that diseases are kept to a bare minimum or to keep the herd immunity intact. Its especially more important as it ensues those who cannot (that is those who are actually medically exempt from it) receive a vaccine from being at risk.

That people cannot have an opinion on getting children vaccinated because "they're not parents" is just so daft. I would never want my child to not receive a vaccine, as I don't want them being at risk. Especially if they take after the mrs and end up with an illness that causes the immune system to be compromised.

The government have decided that things are down to the population to show common sense to "beat" the virus. So get vaccinated. Get children vaccinated. It's so simple to solve the problem but a number of idiots want to play the game of being stuck in the YouTube algorithm of watching doctors (with online chiropractic degrees) telling them that vaccines are bad and that you can cure anything by drinking your own urine mixed with bleach.

 

[delta79]

Children are not at risk to die from covid

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21 under 19 years old have died from covid. So they are at risk. Just that the risk is minuscule.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery.



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[monkeyboy]

Why are these vaccines too risky for kids?


That people cannot have an opinion on getting children vaccinated because "they're not parents" is just so daft. I would never want my child to not receive a vaccine, as I don't want them being at risk. Especially if they take after the mrs and end up with an illness that causes the immune system to be compromised.

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Not risky just no benefit to them for taking it.

I never said you should not have opinion if you weren’t a parent, I was just interested to see if the opinions expressed were from parents or not. Dafty


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[monkeyboy]

21 under 19 years old have died from covid. So they are at risk. Just that the risk is minuscule.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery.



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Yikes
How many of those had underlying conditions or in the vulnerable category, try find that info lol


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[tayspru]

Not risky just no benefit to them for taking it.

I never said you should not have opinion if you weren’t a parent, I was just interested to see if the opinions expressed were from parents or not. Dafty


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Well given that cases and deaths rose massively due to unvaccinated children returning to school en masse, it’s hard to believe there’s *no* benefit to children being protected. Yes they might not be affected but clearly spread is a huge factor to consider

 

[BigT]

Well given that cases and deaths rose massively due to unvaccinated children returning to school en masse, it’s hard to believe there’s *no* benefit to children being protected. Yes they might not be affected but clearly spread is a huge factor to consider

But the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching it or spreading it.

 

[monkeyboy]

Well given that cases and deaths rose massively due to unvaccinated children returning to school en masse, it’s hard to believe there’s *no* benefit to children being protected. Yes they might not be affected but clearly spread is a huge factor to consider

I said no benefit to “them” please don’t misquote

And show me the evidence that children going back to school cause increased deaths.
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[BigT]

Why are these vaccines too risky for kids?

Or is it the whole "vaccines cause autism" thing?

To say that we only vaccinate to protect ourselves is so unequivocally incorrect a statement it worries me that a lot of people perceive life in this manner. There's a reason long thought "dead" diseases are coming back with an increase in "anti-vax" beliefs. Populations are vaccinated to ensure that diseases are kept to a bare minimum or to keep the herd immunity intact. Its especially more important as it ensues those who cannot (that is those who are actually medically exempt from it) receive a vaccine from being at risk.

That people cannot have an opinion on getting children vaccinated because "they're not parents" is just so daft. I would never want my child to not receive a vaccine, as I don't want them being at risk. Especially if they take after the mrs and end up with an illness that causes the immune system to be compromised.

The government have decided that things are down to the population to show common sense to "beat" the virus. So get vaccinated. Get children vaccinated. It's so simple to solve the problem but a number of idiots want to play the game of being stuck in the YouTube algorithm of watching doctors (with online chiropractic degrees) telling them that vaccines are bad and that you can cure anything by drinking your own urine mixed with bleach.

Not enough is known about the side effects v risk of the virus yet, that why the JVI haven’t authorised any vaccine for use on children.
I’m no antivaxer by any means, I’ve had both jabs and my daughter has received all of her jabs when they were due but with the covid jabs available now I’d like some more information on them before deciding they are right for her.
That’s not a silly attitude to take as it’s obviously not clear cut or the JVI would already of authorised them.

 

[tayspru]

But the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching it or spreading it.

No but it’s clear that it massively reduces the spread of the virus, as evidenced by the reduction in cases across the country as the vaccine rollout continues. Our “second peak” coincided with schools and education reopening - that is a fact. It’s likely that the JVI have had other priorities (ensuring a continued supply of vaccines for adults) before moving onto approval - these things cost money and that money is so far needed in other areas.

Its worth noting that any kind of vaccine is altered in its composure year to year, so even the “usual” vaccines kids get are new and “untested” as much as the Covid vaccine

 

[monkeyboy]

No but it’s clear that it massively reduces the spread of the virus, as evidenced by the reduction in cases across the country as the vaccine rollout continues. Our “second peak” coincided with schools and education reopening - that is a fact. It’s likely that the JVI have had other priorities (ensuring a continued supply of vaccines for adults) before moving onto approval - these things cost money and that money is so far needed in other areas.

Its worth noting that any kind of vaccine is altered in its composure year to year, so even the “usual” vaccines kids get are new and “untested” as much as the Covid vaccine

Seen as you haven’t responded to my previous request, please provide evidence that schools going back caused deaths or your slight watering down using
that statement “coincided” with kids going back.


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[tayspru]

Seen as you haven’t responded to my previous request, please provide evidence that schools going back caused deaths or your slight watering down using
that statement “coincided” with kids going back.


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That was the only factor that changed at that date between August and September. What else do you suggest caused the sharp uptick. The entire study of Covid has been based on correlation between activities and changes, there’s no concrete evidence to link any one action to deaths, so scientists look at causal links. Nothing else changed to cause a sharp rise