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2023: General Discussion

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Matt N said:
I could be completely wrong here, but if you post a video onto YouTube of you breaking into a theme park where your voice and face are shown numerous times, aren't you essentially shouting from the rooftops that you've committed a crime, thus making yourself more likely to get caught?
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They've not necessarily committed any criminal offences. Trespass is a civil matter.

Certainly not a good idea though and likely to result in Merlin banning them from their premises, if they know who they are.
 
Third time this video has been thrust under my nose over two sites, in three topics...
It isn't criminal, but it is very stupid.
We shouldn't be giving the idiots the oxygen of publicity by showing the video on other sites.
Towers security is appalling.
 
GaryH said:
Just seen this on Twitter. Where the heck is Alton towers security?!!!


From: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lQUUxzZKnK8
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That's what I'm wondering. I mean it's one thing breaking in but questions have got to be asked by Towers about how their torches and noise went unnoticed by security.

Such a shame the pair never fell off Oblivion, would've meant a little more oxygen on the planet for the rest of us.

Ironic that their channel is called Out Of Society because if they carry on doing stunts like this with a bit of luck they soon will be.....in prison
 
Alsty said:
They've not necessarily committed any criminal offences. Trespass is a civil matter.
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And this is where the law is wrong. Years ago at my work we had travellers deciding they liked the look of our car park so moved in. Called the police, they said there was nothing they could do because they got in when the car park was open and not locked. Turns out, trespassing only becomes criminal when they break a lock or barrier etc that is there to stop people getting in. Ludicrous. So we ended up having them there for about a week while the paper work was issued by the council to evict them. And then we were left with a huge bill to clear away their rubbish, repair other damage their darling little children did to our building and to disinfect (yes, disinfect!!) the carpark!!
 
No criminal offence, let alone a custodial one.
Favour required on another issue...
If there is any actual real news on the Haunted House or Nemesis refits, not simply work in progress or peoples repeated opinions and trite random thoughts, could someone pop a brief message in here.
I'm afraid I am dumping the actual topics to the mark forums read button for my own sanity.
Thank you.
 
I've moved the posting of this video in several places all here so that we aren't duplicating discussion. Having said that, I really don't think this is worth continuing to oxygenate (especially having, regrettably, watched a painful minute or so of said video) - so I'd appreciate it if we could indeed chat about other, more constructive things from hereon in. Thanks!
 
Great to see the Wicker Man pre show walls are being replaced.
 
I find it strange that they keep the Wickerman fire screens on all night. Is this just laziness or do you think there’s a reason?
 
Ciaran said:
I find it strange that they keep the Wickerman fire screens on all night. Is this just laziness or do you think there’s a reason?
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Might be the same as Smiler's, those ones are kept on to prevent them from freezing or something.
 
I haven’t watched all the video but technically from what I’ve seen, no crime has been committed unless they damage or steal something.

Civil trespass and on that basis the risks are far less.

No way do I condone their behaviour or am saying it’s acceptable.
 
I seem to remember a couple of days in 2022 when all the rides were shut for prolonged periods because the parkwide CCTV system had gone down. This led to discussion on the pros and cons of having such a system - one pro was that from a security point of view it would be easier to see what is going on around the park.

It makes the fact that people have managed to access the Smiler station and climb Oblivion with torches in the dead of night and not be noticed all the more embarrassing for the park's security.
 
Graeme said:
I haven’t watched all the video but technically from what I’ve seen, no crime has been committed unless they damage or steal something
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I know very little about the law, but this should definitely be seen as a crime.
 
rob666 said:
No criminal offence, let alone a custodial one.
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Actually it might be one, Merlin have one of those high court injuctions, which makes tresspassing illegal. Plus the person who's in the video may well have broken other laws while on property. Merlin could argue it's aggravated trespass.
 
rob666 said:
No criminal offence, let alone a custodial one.
Favour required on another issue...
If there is any actual real news on the Haunted House or Nemesis refits, not simply work in progress or peoples repeated opinions and trite random thoughts, could someone pop a brief message in here.
I'm afraid I am dumping the actual topics to the mark forums read button for my own sanity.
Thank you.
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Perhaps it would be better if someone were to message you privately when this happens?
 
JAperson said:
Actually it might be one, Merlin have one of those high court injuctions, which makes tresspassing illegal. Plus the person who's in the video may well have broken other laws while on property. Merlin could argue it's aggravated trespass.
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No.
The injunctions name individuals...adding "persons unknown associated" sounds good but has no actual legal credit.
I have read the Blackpool one by the Tower...Ally Law and chums...another bunch of bloody attention seeking idiots.
No injunction makes anything "illegal" that isn't already illegal.
Trespass is not in itself a criminal act, and never has been.
Aggravated trespass means doing, or intending to do, criminal acts while trespassing.
Not just being a complete fool.
The less attention we give to the idiots the better.
 
rob666 said:
No.
The injunctions name individuals...adding "persons unknown associated" sounds good but has no actual legal credit.
I have read the Blackpool one by the Tower...Ally Law and chums...another bunch of bloody attention seeking idiots.
No injunction makes anything "illegal" that isn't already illegal.
Trespass is not in itself a criminal act, and never has been.
Aggravated trespass means doing, or intending to do, criminal acts while trespassing.
Not just being a complete fool.
The less attention we give to the idiots the better.
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I know tresspassing isn't a crime, however they could argue several possible other law breaches. As for the high court injuction, I was under the impression that it was awarded because of those individuals giving the place a similar trespassing status to government property or airports.
 
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