• ℹ️ Heads up...

    This is a popular topic that is fast moving Guest - before posting, please ensure that you check out the first post in the topic for a quick reminder of guidelines, and importantly a summary of the known facts and information so far. Thanks.

Carowinds: General Discussion

Leviathan looks less good than Shambhala. I don't expect this to be as good as Shambles.
 
I don't think it's massively comparable to Shambhala. One is all about airtime, the other is all about speed and transitions.

:)
 
Shambles is the better of the two. But Leviathan's first drop is pretty damn special, and this looks to be on a par with it.

This certainly looks a lot longer than Leviathan. It makes better use of it's height, rather than hitting the brakes over 100 feet in the air when it still has plenty of energy to use.
 
I genuinely don't get why a) they're building this at all, and b) they're building such a huge B&M hyper with only two token airtime hills. Have they not looked at the best hyper coasters and indeed just the best coasters generally in the world, and deduced that the reason why they are there is because of their airtime? EGF, Bizarro, Skyrush, Kawasemi, Shambhala, Piraten...all near the top of the MH based almost singularly on airtime. And yes, I know that Intimidator is also in the park - which makes the decision to build a B&M hyper whatsoever a weird one. But effectively what they're doing is building a slightly taller and more boring (thrill wise) version of a coaster they already have.
 
In fairness, the new generation of B&M hypers are not intended to be airtime machines... they are all about high speed zooming. :)
 
Alastair said:
I genuinely don't get why a) they're building this at all, and b) they're building such a huge B&M hyper with only two token airtime hills. Have they not looked at the best hyper coasters and indeed just the best coasters generally in the world, and deduced that the reason why they are there is because of their airtime? EGF, Bizarro, Skyrush, Kawasemi, Shambhala, Piraten...all near the top of the MH based almost singularly on airtime. And yes, I know that Intimidator is also in the park - which makes the decision to build a B&M hyper whatsoever a weird one. But effectively what they're doing is building a slightly taller and more boring (thrill wise) version of a coaster they already have.
Click to expand...
My issue is that, whilst Shambles is great, I generally find the Intamin attempts far better.

Of course they lack the 'grandeur' and that build quality but they're just way more manouverable and exciting.

Millennium Force was not my thing at ALL though... speed is basically all it is. For me it was like a PMBO+.

If you just want speed - you can just build a launch coaster.
 
Alastair said:
I genuinely don't get why a) they're building this at all, and b) they're building such a huge B&M hyper with only two token airtime hills. Have they not looked at the best hyper coasters and indeed just the best coasters generally in the world, and deduced that the reason why they are there is because of their airtime? EGF, Bizarro, Skyrush, Kawasemi, Shambhala, Piraten...all near the top of the MH based almost singularly on airtime. And yes, I know that Intimidator is also in the park - which makes the decision to build a B&M hyper whatsoever a weird one. But effectively what they're doing is building a slightly taller and more boring (thrill wise) version of a coaster they already have.
Click to expand...

See my earlier posts in this topic. Also I305. This is not about airtime!!! And that does not mean it cannot be good.

:)
 
Indeed. I was pointing out that a coaster like this does not have to be full of airtime to be good though. How can it be called a more boring version of what they already have when it's not even half built!? Mad!!

:)
 
I guess I am basing my assumptions off Millennium Force, which for me just didn't do anything significant apart from "go fast". It's much why I don't particularly rate the look of Formula Rossa based on POV's.

Somehow, rides like Nemesis feel faster than Millennium Force!

I don't doubt this will be a really 'good' ride, but I just don't see why they wouldn't combine such coasters which airtime... it just seems the natural choice.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong!

:)
 
Rob said:
Indeed. I was pointing out that a coaster like this does not have to be full of airtime to be good though. How can it be called a more boring version of what they already have when it's not even half built!? Mad!!

:)
Click to expand...

It just does. I assume you love PMBO then, because that's just a great drop and then loads of turns and forceless hills. I'm basing my assumption off the POV...unless the actual ride will differ significantly from it?
 
Alastair said:
It just does. I assume you love PMBO then, because that's just a great drop and then loads of turns and forceless hills. I'm basing my assumption off the POV...unless the actual ride will differ significantly from it?
Click to expand...

Please don't compare Fury 325 to The Big One. That's laughable.

:)
 
Rob said:
Please don't compare Fury 325 to The Big One. That's laughable.

:)
Click to expand...

It isn't, it's effectively a smoother version of it with a couple of airtime hills. As far as I'm concerned, a hypercoaster without a focus on airtime is a waste of steel. It's why I didn't rate Goliath at SFMM whatsoever (and why no one does).
 
It all comes down to what you prefer. I found the straight line airtime hills of Behemoth boring after the first two, compared to the much more interesting, if less forcefull, layout of Leviathan. I'd much rather have a unique track layout than the cut and paste designs of the older B&M hypers.

Hyper / mega / giga / uber (whatever) coasters don't have to just be hils. These newer ones are doing things that haven't been done before. The overbanked turns really should count as inversions in my book. :)
 
Alastair said:
It isn't, it's effectively a smoother version of it with a couple of airtime hills. As far as I'm concerned, a hypercoaster without a focus on airtime is a waste of steel. It's why I didn't rate Goliath at SFMM whatsoever (and why no one does).
Click to expand...

Ok. I'm glad you think I305 is a waste of steel seeing as it is a 305ft tall coaster who's focus is not airtime. It's not as if it's regarded as one of the best coasters in the world or anything. And I am not comparing Fury 325 to I305, they are different coasters but neither focus on airtime.

:)
 
Rob said:
Ok. I'm glad you think I305 is a waste of steel seeing as it is a 305ft tall coaster who's focus is not airtime. It's not as if it's regarded as one of the best coasters in the world or anything. And I am not comparing Fury 325 to I305, they are different coaster but neither focus on airtime.

:)
Click to expand...

I should have added the caveat there, excepting i305. I've never ridden it, but it looks to be insane enough that it would still be good even without airtime. That's the exception though.
 
I305 is brilliant and probably will be better than this. I just don't get why this cannot be good because it is not likely to be full of airtime. Is it the enthusiast agenda against B&M at the moment? It's a fricken massive coaster that will have some airtime and is bound to be brilliant fun. No one will know how intense etc it is until it's open.

:)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top