Coronavirus

[rob666]

I think the plan is to give business the summer holidays, then get the second wave in before winter.
On hot days like today I usually swim in a local safe river or the sea.
Not a chance today.
The second wave is coming.

 

[Islander]

You’d hope he would but unfortunately this is what they wanted so unfortunately they don’t care about over crowded beaches and towns. If they do come out with anything it will be a halfhearted attempt.

For all the millions of legitimate actions Boris and his government can be blamed for, I don't think people moronically flocking to beaches when told not to is one of them

 

[BarryZola]

They could try telling people that if there's a second wave there will definitely be no more furlough or monetary help from the government. Some people will probably think a bit more carefully about inviting another spread of the virus then.

 

[Matt N]

I don’t think there will necessarily be a second wave. A lot of the modelling predicting a “second wave” is based on influenza pandemics; COVID-19 is not an influenza, it is a coronavirus. It will behave differently. SARS, COVID-19’s closest relative, did not see a second wave, nor did MERS.

I think it will most likely end up being isolated outbreaks at worst (e.g. the meat processing plants in Germany, the market in Beijing, the nightclub in South Korea), which may result in isolated measures for a very specific group of people. None of the other countries that have reopened with similar measures in place have seen a colossal surge in cases; there have been clusters, but not a full-blown, deadly “second wave” that has ended up to be worse than the first like everyone’s predicting. Some of the southern US states have experienced substantial spikes, however they reopened when they had far more cases and deaths than Britain currently does, so the R number was likely higher and COVID was likely far more present in the community; as Anthony Fauci said, they were still solidly in the first wave when they reopened. Iran has had a spike, but from what I can tell, they literally removed everything, with no social distancing being kept whatsoever even as a guideline. All of the comparable countries that have reopened with comparable measures in place have not seen a second wave; their R numbers, cases and deaths have stayed very low on the whole.

 

[monkeyboy]

I’m getting a bit peed off with getting told what to do. The shop assistants at Tesco’s had no Ppe on today with contact with hundreds of ppl.

The general public are getting hounded for keeping to rules and getting blamed for a 2nd wave


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[Benzin]

There'll be a second wave if the government keep acting irresponsibly but because of their deliberately vague wording can blame the general public.

Basically getting everyone hyped up to go to the pubs, acting like lockdown is over and then acting surprised when everyone ends up heading to the beach as it's warm.

 

[monkeyboy]

But if you not been forced to cleanse on way in/out and staff that are serving are not wearing ppe what kind of example is that setting?


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[Matt N]

I’d imagine the beaches may quieten down a little once the pubs and things are open; at the moment, the beach is one of the few places you can go. But from 4th July, many other things open, so in theory, everyone can be spreaded among various different places instead of just a select few like now, thus making social distancing easier.

I must admit, I was surprised at the extent to which the government are lifting restrictions on 4th July. However, as Boris likes to reiterate, the government are being “guided by the science”. They know what they are doing, so I trust that they have our best interests at heart and that their plans will not cause a resurgence in cases. People have mostly been very compliant & supportive of measures thus far, so while the legislation is admittedly going in favour of “guidance” from 4th July, the vast majority of the British public will still follow the guidance. If the government has said it’s OK to reopen things, but follow guidance, then I trust that they have sufficient evidence & have thought things through enough to enable further lockdown easing. Remember, Britain’s track and trace system is also getting better by the day!

 

[imanautie]

I’d imagine the beaches may quieten down a little once the pubs and things are open; at the moment, the beach is one of the few places you can go. But from 4th July, many other things open, so in theory, everyone can be spreaded among various different places instead of just a select few like now, thus making social distancing easier.

I must admit, I was surprised at the extent to which the government are lifting restrictions on 4th July. However, as Boris likes to reiterate, the government are being “guided by the science”. They know what they are doing, so I trust that they have our best interests at heart and that their plans will not cause a resurgence in cases. People have mostly been very compliant & supportive of measures thus far, so while the legislation is admittedly going in favour of “guidance” from 4th July, the vast majority of the British public will still follow the guidance. If the government has said it’s OK to reopen things, but follow guidance, then I trust that they have sufficient evidence & have thought things through enough to enable further lockdown easing. Remember, Britain’s track and trace system is also getting better by the day!

The government looses short term continuing a lockdown so there's motivation to release it even against advice.

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[monkeyboy]

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[Mr Pearse]

Boris gave up on the science the moment he knew the economy was going to cost him big time. It’s easier to ease lockdown restrictions on most things change it to 1m distance over night and then let fate take its course. I’ve had many discussions with family in England about the lockdown situations in both England and Wales and we always agree that no one knows what was the best solution till the dust has settled and then it’s easier to see. End of the day no one in living history has ever had to go through the lockdown situation we have had to go through obviously there is going to be mistakes but it’s how you deal with those mistakes in the future.

 

[The Cardinal]

I live about a 20 minute walk from a beach and I'd never experienced the atmosphere there was today. So many people were getting irresponsibly drunk, fighting, not distancing, spitting all over the beach, etc. Unfortunately they're not going to listen. If they continue you can guarantee we'll take steps back around Christmas and it's all down to these selfish people who can't go without hugging their mates for five minutes.

 

[Matt N]

I’ve had many discussions with family in England about the lockdown situations in both England and Wales and we always agree that no one knows what was the best solution till the dust has settled and then it’s easier to see. End of the day no one in living history has ever had to go through the lockdown situation we have had to go through obviously there is going to be mistakes but it’s how you deal with those mistakes in the future.

I fully agree; as much as people like to make comparisons between countries now, I don’t think we will truly know until the pandemic is over or at very least substantially reduced in scale. I don’t think there’s really a right or wrong way to deal with a crisis like this one; it’s about choosing which sacrifices you’d rather make, because every path to pick will have its own sacrifices.

 

[Islander]

I’m getting a bit peed off with getting told what to do.

But if you not been forced to cleanse on way in/out ... what kind of example is that setting?

^I'd to know how you feel these two statements sit together

 

[delta79]

I wonder how long it will be before restrictions return due to a sharp upturn in cases.


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[Alsty]

It's depressing to see beaches packed with people, no social distancing, roads blocked with anti-social parking, people being rude and spitting at officials trying to manage the situation and people leaving tonnes of rubbish on the beaches when they go. Are people normally this feral or is that just what happens when you let them fester indoors for three months and then tell them can go outdoors? We should start withholding furlough and benefits payments from people that can't take personal responsibility.

 

[Rob]

It's depressing to see beaches packed with people, no social distancing, roads blocked with anti-social parking, people being rude and spitting at officials trying to manage the situation and people leaving tonnes of rubbish on the beaches when they go. Are people normally this feral or is that just what happens when you let them fester indoors for three months and then tell them can go outdoors? We should start withholding furlough and benefits payments from people that can't take personal responsibility.

It's really quite sad, isn't it? People showing their true colours.

I dread to think what is going to happen on July 4th once the pubs open. The only certainty is a huge increase in ASB.

 

[Vik]

We simply can't afford another wholesale lockdown, and not just in a financial sense. Maybe localised lockdowns and effective track and trace may help. (Localised in the sense that an establishment, such as like in the recent abattoir outbreaks, could be closed and the people working there self isolate as well as those who have been in contact with them, shutting down entire towns and cities would be pretty much impossible).

Some people seem genuinely terrified of coming out of lockdown and returning to some sort of normality. Maybe come October when that money starts to run out they will think differently? (For the record, I was Furloughed for the best part of 3 months so I am not critisising this at all and understand the intentions behind it, but if things don't begin to return to some sort of normal, then once this ends, the jobs which have thus far been protected will thus be lost regardless)

Last weekend I witnessed 2 examples of absolute paranoia whilst out and about. First in Asda, when passing a young lady who was stopped browsing some items, I passed by on the otherside of the, very wide, isle, and she pretty much dived in to the shelf to try and get out the way. The look of terror on her face was priceless. I would guess I was just slighgtly less than 2 metres when I passed her. The second, later on the same day, I was walking along the pavement, which was around 2 metres wide, and next to it is a grass verge, which is also about 2metres wide. Again, somebody walking the otherway, so I walk close up to the hedge, so at the very worst, said person coming the other way simply had to step on to the grass verge if they felt the need to keep exactly 2 metres or more, but no, they went straight passed that and stepped in to the road, and a very busy road at that. That sort of behaviour baffles me, you risk getting hit by traffic to avoid people at all costs, when the risk of catching anything passing anyone for a second is pretty much 0.

If that is the fear some people have, then maybe they shouldn't be out at all?

One thing that has been forgotten is that it is suggested you need to be in close proximity to an infected for at least 15 minutes before there is a risk that it may be passed on, but some people look absolutely petrified when somebody passes them by, which takes a second.

From my experiences in work lately, it is pretty much impossible to social distance to any degree. Despite all the efforts gone in to trying to ensure that this can be done, and where it can't, providing perspex screen etc, people basically gravitate towards one and other when theres a bit of down time, and huddle in small groups. But that is human nature, and there is simply no way you can change that.

We have to wear masks too, and they are pretty awful to wear, especially when it is hot. The last two days I have gone through about 6 litres of water a day to try and keep hydrated and even then I still had a dry throat and a thumping headache. usually on a hot day when in work I may go through about 2-3 litres depending on how busy or not I am.

 

[jon81uk]

It's depressing to see beaches packed with people, no social distancing, roads blocked with anti-social parking, people being rude and spitting at officials trying to manage the situation and people leaving tonnes of rubbish on the beaches when they go. Are people normally this feral or is that just what happens when you let them fester indoors for three months and then tell them can go outdoors? We should start withholding furlough and benefits payments from people that can't take personal responsibility.

Even without Covid and the concerns of catching the virus, the behaviour and respect for other people many people are showing is not acceptable.

 

[GaryH]

I popped down to Exmouth beach on Wednesday to see how busy it would be...... I was stunned. Car parks full, beach was packed and the pavements looked like a scene from Love Island to put it mildly. I didn't stay, but I did also go down last Saturday when it was sunny and the place was near deserted.

Instead we went to some national trust gardens which were very empty.

Anyway, I'm off to the dentist today to get some work finished , should be interesting to see how my dentist will do a root canal in full PPE!