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Coronavirus - The Poll

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Rojo said:
Company listed on the stock exchange says good things about a potential product that nobody can disprove. Be careful of diving in both feet first there @Matt N. I'm not clicking the sun article but am I assuming it's nabbed the same quote from the CEO along the lines of could be 12 months, 18 months, 2 years, who knows?

What's actually worrying is that they've been granted immunity against future liability claims in some countries regarding the COVID vaccine. Working out who will fork out for the any side effects down the line is proving tricky if it becomes a mandatory vaccine.
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It depends on how many viable vaccines there are. If there's multiple governments have leverage, if there's only one the vaccine company has it.
 
If the authorities don't comply with the rules, then how are we all supposed to follow the rules? :rolleyes:

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Benzin said:
The implication that no other races or creeds are breaking any social distancing is more of an issue. Saw plenty of different people not wearing mask, or neighbours having family over when the ruling was you shouldn't.

"Thought police" my arse.
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Plastic Person said:
That they were all once influential manufacturing hubs that required cheap and often exploited overseas labour throughout the 1960s and 1970s?

Even the extremely unlikely event that you are not in fact asking this question in good faith, this is definitely one of the worst things I've ever seen posted on this forum.
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I'm not defending the original poster, but I think it's fair to call out that in a multi-cultural society, that there are different attitudes, approaches and tolerances to all sorts of things, Coronavirus related or not.

This seems to be something that Britain doesn't call out often enough - it remains unsaid because it's become taboo, despite the popularisation of identity politics. If you are a black male (for example), in some circumstances, your experiences will mirror those of other black males more than those of white males. There is a tendency for opinions and claims of oppression (often true) to be viewed through the lens of race or demographic group, but a huge attempt not to attribute a negative to a subset of a population where race or culture is the core correlation.

There are lots of statistics that make for uncomfortable reading, but are largely ignored.
 
Rick said:
I'm not defending the original poster, but I think it's fair to call out that in a multi-cultural society, that there are different attitudes, approaches and tolerances to all sorts of things, Coronavirus related or not.

There are lots of statistics that make for uncomfortable reading, but are largely ignored.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the original poster in question was making a more toxic insinuation that was not based on circumstance.
 
Plastic Person said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the original poster in question was making a more toxic insinuation that was not based on circumstance.
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I agree and was not defending what he/she said, but I do think the attempt to suppress open discussion on this subject drives that type of or accusation.

It doesn't feel dissimilar to the way that well intentioned and in some cases, legitimate concerns about immigration were quashed ahead of the EU referendum, which ultimately resulted in people feeling unable to talk about it.

I think it's a dangerous road that we're headed down.
 
Plastic Person said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the original poster in question was making a more toxic insinuation that was not based on circumstance.
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Really? Toxic? Is that the best you can come up with, I wasn’t even going to bother replying to you original attempt at trying to label me something I’m not and I certainly don’t need someone trying to defend me even if they ARN’T apparently.:laughing:

I could copy and paste loads of articles highlighting the facts that BAME are disproportionately not following the rules as well as others, the health secretary even said himself this morning one of the main worries was Eid celebrations this weekend which is why the ban on multiple houses meeting up was brought in now but to be honest your mind is made up so I won’t.
As I said in my original reply, things like BAME, LBGT or anything else with a “movement” behind them are no longer allowed to be criticised or even discussed, by doing so you risk straight away being shouted down as a “phobe”, but that’s water off a ducks back to me to be fair.
 
I would suggest the problem is an increasing majority of the population are throwing caution to the wind. There is a sense that we're out of the woods and that we can relax, that we can get back to normal. I don't believe only members of the BAME community are taking this viewpoint. However when you have communities in deprived areas, in poor quality housing and often multiple family generations in a single house then it seems natural that infection rates will be higher.

Matt Hancock said he was concerned about Eid because that is naturally a time for Muslim families to get together. He didn't say they were not following the rules, which seems to be your implication, just that higher infection rates mean these celebrations should not happen indoors.
 
They can still have Eid celebrations in the pub though (or other public areas). So things can't be THAT problematic? Unless the reason is more to try and continue a trend of blame culture and promote institutionalised racism that is seemingly still going on in this country.

I mean with the statement being released at 9pm last night in a tweet, it's like they want people caught out by the changes in law.

Utterly daft that they've gone you can't meet at home but you're ok to go down a pub or restaurant.
 
Benzin said:
They can still have Eid celebrations in the pub though (or other public areas). So things can't be THAT problematic? Unless the reason is more to try and continue a trend of blame culture and promote institutionalised racism that is seemingly still going on in this country.

I mean with the statement being released at 9pm last night in a tweet, it's like they want people caught out by the changes in law.

Utterly daft that they've gone you can't meet at home but you're ok to go down a pub or restaurant.
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It's theoretically not daft as there's more controls in pubs and restaurants, but in practice it's a moot point.
 
Benzin said:
They can still have Eid celebrations in the pub though (or other public areas). So things can't be THAT problematic? Unless the reason is more to try and continue a trend of blame culture and promote institutionalised racism that is seemingly still going on in this country.

I mean with the statement being released at 9pm last night in a tweet, it's like they want people caught out by the changes in law.

Utterly daft that they've gone you can't meet at home but you're ok to go down a pub or restaurant.
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In theory the pubs should be limiting it to six people per table and implementing track & trace etc. So there should be more control. Whereas in a home it is possible that more than six people interact closely. Realistically I don't think pubs are enforcing distancing much, but they have at least physically tried to screen and separate tables down to groups of six chairs.

Better to encourage people to meet ourdoors for a picnic!
 
I've got a funeral to attend in 2 weeks time which is worrying me with regards social distancing rules. The funeral is in Wales and face masks don't need to be worn indoors. I think I'll wear one anyway but at these events people expect to come up to you, shake hands, hug etc.
 
GaryH said:
I've got a funeral to attend in 2 weeks time which is worrying me with regards social distancing rules. The funeral is in Wales and face masks don't need to be worn indoors. I think I'll wear one anyway but at these events people expect to come up to you, shake hands, hug etc.
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Sorry to hear that Garry. Might be worth checking the local rules as I would've thought physical contact is banned at the moment.
 
GaryH said:
I've got a funeral to attend in 2 weeks time which is worrying me with regards social distancing rules. The funeral is in Wales and face masks don't need to be worn indoors. I think I'll wear one anyway but at these events people expect to come up to you, shake hands, hug etc.
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Sorry to hear that.

But physical contact such as shaking hands and hugging is not allowed at the moment so people should be doing their best to avoid doing it. I've had some awkward goodbyes with friends already where we would usually hug and end up with an awkward wave.
 
The worry is big social celebrations.

As it been said humans are social animals.
At get togethers people will naturally forget, make mistakes with social distancing rules and some will just say stuff it the pandemic is over.

This happens across the board in human society.

Whatever the next big celebration general human nature is the big worry.

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I was expecting him to say face coverings in all indoor public settings. And then go on to say if we don't get it under control pubs and restaurants are next.



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It was quite a stark warning from Prof. Chris Whitty that "we have probably reached or neared the limits of what we can do in terms of opening up society".

Things are clearly balanced on a knife-edge and we have a compromise between safety and economy. There isn't much room to give and potentially some restrictions would need to be (re-)introduced if others were to be relaxed.
 
Alsty said:
It was quite a stark warning from Prof. Chris Whitty that "we have probably reached or neared the limits of what we can do in terms of opening up society".

Things are clearly balanced on a knife-edge and we have a compromise between safety and economy. There isn't much room to give and potentially some restrictions would need to be (re-)introduced if others were to be relaxed.
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What could they reintroduce that wouldn't make relaxing other measures pointless?
 
I do wonder how long before attractions, or at least attractions with seemingly no crowd management, will be allowed to remain open.

This example seems to be exactly the issue of groups meeting and not social distancing. And given that queue won't be moving much, high chance those people will be in close proximity for 15+ minutes, and so would become track and trace eligible if anyone was diagnosed, which of course wouldn't be possible.



Similarly overcrowded public transport. But somehow private gatherings at home is the problem.
 
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