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It just doesn't make sense if this was all simply one big Hoax, covid-19 is crippling the world financially. I can't see all countries in the world playing along with a Hoax.

#Covidiots

Those countries that have taken Covid-19 very seriously has fared far better in controlling the virus than those countries that simply shrugged this off as nothing more than the flu.

The only conspiracy that I see, is Boris Johnson telling us all that it is now safe for people to go back to the offices instead of working from home work in order to get the economy going again back in London :rolleyes:

The bad news is that yesterdays figures for new cases jumped up to 1715 and today's figures are 1406, both are very high figures.

The good news is that daily deaths are very low at the moment, but this could either be that we are either treating the illness better or that there is a time lag of a good 6 weeks plus between infections and death (6 to 8 weeks daily infections were at their lowest since the peak of the curve).
 
RoyJess said:
It just doesn't make sense if this was all simply one big Hoax, covid-19 is crippling the world financially. I can't see all countries in the world playing along with a Hoax.

#Covidiots

Those countries that have taken Covid-19 very seriously has fared far better in controlling the virus than those countries that simply shrugged this off as nothing more than the flu.

The only conspiracy that I see, is Boris Johnson telling us all that it is now safe for people to go back to the offices instead of working from home work in order to get the economy going again back in London :rolleyes:

The bad news is that yesterdays figures for new cases jumped up to 1715 and today's figures are 1406, both are very high figures.

The good news is that daily deaths are very low at the moment, but this could either be that we are either treating the illness better or that there is a time lag of a good 6 weeks plus between infections and death (6 to 8 weeks daily infections were at their lowest since the peak of the curve).
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I suspect that we will see a rise in deaths in September/October as a result of increased contact through the summer holiday however since the holidays will be over soon and we won't be crowding around as much, cases probably won't rise and will hopefully drop.
Since you had a moan at people people spreading hoaxes about Covid-19, I would also like to have a moan at climate change deniers and I wish governments could deal with climate change like they dealt with Covid even if it causes financial trouble.
 
The government are obviously desperate to get people back in cars or using any kind of paid for transport as they get a sh**load of tax from it and have realised they've spunked way too much cash during these shenanigans. People cycling, using scooters or walking doesn't earn them much at all. If you ever wanted a big test of whether the government value cleaner air OR more money from polluting ways of life you're seeing it now. It's not looking good for cleaner air at the moment...
 
RoyJess said:
It just doesn't make sense if this was all simply one big Hoax, covid-19 is crippling the world financially. I can't see all countries in the world playing along with a Hoax.

#Covidiots

Those countries that have taken Covid-19 very seriously has fared far better in controlling the virus than those countries that simply shrugged this off as nothing more than the flu.

The only conspiracy that I see, is Boris Johnson telling us all that it is now safe for people to go back to the offices instead of working from home work in order to get the economy going again back in London :rolleyes:

The bad news is that yesterdays figures for new cases jumped up to 1715 and today's figures are 1406, both are very high figures.

The good news is that daily deaths are very low at the moment, but this could either be that we are either treating the illness better or that there is a time lag of a good 6 weeks plus between infections and death (6 to 8 weeks daily infections were at their lowest since the peak of the curve).
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Don’t worry too much about the positive cases, they are going up almost the same level as the increase in testing as shown here.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Hospital cases are at an all time low and still going down, there won’t be a second spike in deaths in 6-8 weeks as the hospital cases would need to be rising now but that simply isn’t the case.
 
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I ventured out in to the big wide world this weekend. Didn't go far, only to Liverpool, but given how cheap it was for a hotel room last minute on Saturday, decided to stay over and thus not worry about making the last train.

Both Saturday and Sunday, from mid morning, until late at night and in to the early hours.Liverpool was heaving, both with shoppers and mainly people out enjoying some drinks and food and taking advantage of some fairly decent weather after pretty much a week of constant rain. I believe yesterday was the same if not even busier.

Most of the pubs and restaurants were full inside and out, and in some cases long queues to get in too. Large age range in pubs and restaurants too, mix from the young to the elderly, though mainly seemed to be under 30's.

Train in was fairly busy, and as we got closer to Liverpool it was standing room only. Mask compliance was good, much better than has been seen on busses, though they were in quite a few cases used as chin rests.

Been to local ASDA today, arounf 50% wearing masks, and those that were at least 50% had them on their chin or under the nose and there were cases of people removing them in store, as, as one chap put it, theirs no point if nobody is wearing one.

A few weeks back, the scientists were suggesting that in the event of a spike in cases when schools reopen, pubs should be closed. If this were come to fruition, given how busy I have seen places, I would expect this time it will not go down very well at all, and a few converstaions taking place over the weekend would suggest that this will indeed be the case.

Whilst positive cases have been increasing for weeks, the death rate has been in single or low double figures every day. People need to start to grasp that there are about 1400 deaths a day in the UK and how few of them are covid related. We can't drop our guard, but at the same time people need to get on with their lives, and if that means going out and enjoying themselves rather tahn living a miserable existence of just going to work and then going home then so be it.

it was good to see so many people out this weekend and no longer bowing down the mass hysteria produced by sensationalist headlines by the media and the howls of 'get us back in to lockdown' by Facebook Karens and the Twitter brigade.
 
BigT said:
Don’t worry too much about the positive cases, they are going up almost the same level as the increase in testing as shown here.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Hospital cases are at an all time low and still going down, there won’t be a second spike in deaths in 6-8 weeks as the hospital cases would need to be rising now but that simply isn’t the case.
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It may not be much to worry about for most people, but when you are shielding with someone that is classed as vulnerable and has been given strict advice from the GP, we would like to be able to go out and enjoy the world too, but considering that Jess has enough wrong with her, she doesn't want anything else added to her long list of complications. We are not alone in this. If it wasn't for Jess, I would be quiet happy to go our social distancing, but unfortunately, not every one is following the rules and this is where this would put Jess at very high risk.

As long as those figures keep going up regardless of the increase in testing, it shows that the virus is still out there and is still spreading.

Vik said:
I ventured out in to the big wide world this weekend. Didn't go far, only to Liverpool, but given how cheap it was for a hotel room last minute on Saturday, decided to stay over and thus not worry about making the last train.

Both Saturday and Sunday, from mid morning, until late at night and in to the early hours.Liverpool was heaving, both with shoppers and mainly people out enjoying some drinks and food and taking advantage of some fairly decent weather after pretty much a week of constant rain. I believe yesterday was the same if not even busier.

Most of the pubs and restaurants were full inside and out, and in some cases long queues to get in too. Large age range in pubs and restaurants too, mix from the young to the elderly, though mainly seemed to be under 30's.

Train in was fairly busy, and as we got closer to Liverpool it was standing room only. Mask compliance was good, much better than has been seen on busses, though they were in quite a few cases used as chin rests.

Been to local ASDA today, arounf 50% wearing masks, and those that were at least 50% had them on their chin or under the nose and there were cases of people removing them in store, as, as one chap put it, theirs no point if nobody is wearing one.

A few weeks back, the scientists were suggesting that in the event of a spike in cases when schools reopen, pubs should be closed. If this were come to fruition, given how busy I have seen places, I would expect this time it will not go down very well at all, and a few converstaions taking place over the weekend would suggest that this will indeed be the case.

Whilst positive cases have been increasing for weeks, the death rate has been in single or low double figures every day. People need to start to grasp that there are about 1400 deaths a day in the UK and how few of them are covid related. We can't drop our guard, but at the same time people need to get on with their lives, and if that means going out and enjoying themselves rather tahn living a miserable existence of just going to work and then going home then so be it.

it was good to see so many people out this weekend and no longer bowing down the mass hysteria produced by sensationalist headlines by the media and the howls of 'get us back in to lockdown' by Facebook Karens and the Twitter brigade.
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I don't think this is just hysteria, the virus is out there, it is real, it has caused deaths, it discriminates those who have underlying health conditions as well as the older you are the more at risk you are. It's killing around 5% of the population around the world that get it, and around 10% to 20% of people that survive it will have some long term health problems regardless if they were originally showing symptoms.

I know that our local Doctors are treating this pandemic very seriously.

Yes I would love to be able to go out, but at the moment, I do not feel that it is safe enough for me to venture out, not only for Jess' own safety but also if I've become ill, I might not be well enough to look after Jess.

There are sill many people out there that are still shielding. If Jess and I were to leave the home, it would be very difficult for us to follow the advice from the GP with regards to sanitation whilst out and about due to the nature of Jess' condition.

We are currently holding back with regards to going out, we will catch up again on loss time by taking an extra day out each month once this is all over. But in the mean time, we are planning to stay safe, but would love to see those daily figures to come down. The sooner they come right down, the sooner Jess and I can venture out.

So for many, those daily figures don't mean much, especially if you are young and healthy, but think of those that are clinically vulnerable that are still shielding, we are not all in this together.
 
It's not even the per 100 cases mortality rate that's the issue it's how contagious it is, if it's say (for ease of explaination) half as lethal as the flu but 4 times as contagious it's worse then the flu but people don't look far enough to understand the data.
 
[QUOTE="RoyJess, post: 303927, member: 3151"

We are currently holding back with regards to going out, we will catch up again on loss time by taking an extra day out each month once this is all over. But in the mean time, we are planning to stay safe, but would love to see those daily figures to come down. The sooner they come right down, the sooner Jess and I can venture out.

So for many, those daily figures don't mean much, especially if you are young and healthy, but think of those that are clinically vulnerable that are still shielding, we are not all in this together.[/QUOTE]

With the colder weather just a few weeks away it will be unlikely those figures are coming down anytime soon. The next few months in the run up to Christmas is going to be the critical time in terms of whether these rising infection rates lead to much higher hospital admissions or deaths or if Influenza sneaks in first, especially as it would seem they will struggle to vaccinate this year.

I bet if there are any additional restrictions impossed over Christmas they would be widely ridiculed and ignored. Personally I dont really celebrate Christmas, however I do enjoy the nice long break I have and the socialising aspect of it (even tolerating family for a day :p) and it helps break up the long dark winter nights, so if somebody said 'no Christmas this year' then that would be utterly depressing.

Whilst for the young and healthy the figures don't mean much, especially if they don't mix with anyone for any length of time who will be vulnerable, they can't be expected to put their lives on hold for ever for those that are. That doesn't mean they are not thinking about those who are vulnerable, just simply they have to get on with their lives. It certainly isn't being selfish, as had been suggested so many times before, its called being human.

The longer restrictions go on the less and less tolerance there is for it. Mask wearing in shops seems a prime example, which has dropped off a cliff in the last couple of weeks, similary on public transport, especially in London.

There seems very little appetite now for any future lockdowns, those places that have had restrictions imposed of them in recent weeks have seemingly has less and less compliance as time has gone on, and in the meantime peoples livelihoods and local business suffer as people simply leave the areas and go elsewhere.
 
Vik said:
Whilst for the young and healthy the figures don't mean much, especially if they don't mix with anyone for any length of time who will be vulnerable, they can't be expected to put their lives on hold for ever for those that are. That doesn't mean they are not thinking about those who are vulnerable, just simply they have to get on with their lives. It certainly isn't being selfish, as had been suggested so many times before, its called being human.
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No one is asking for anyone to put their lives on hold.

Some of us including people at risk of more severe disease, rely in part, on other people taking the right actions to help protect those who need it most. We all need to play our part to stop the spread of Covid-19.
 
RoyJess said:
No one is asking for anyone to put their lives on hold.

Some of us including people at risk of more severe disease, rely in part, on other people taking the right actions to help protect those who need it most. We all need to play our part to stop the spread of Covid-19.
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However it is amazing how many people don't do their part.

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Brilliant news! The largest study yet investigating coronavirus antibodies has been conducted upon 30,000 people in Iceland, and the results seem to imply that antibodies stay for a longer period of time than previously indicated, which can only be good news for the future of the pandemic (in terms of immunity, vaccines etc.): https://apple.news/AK_HH7C6hRUuUQ6RxMUYOrg

Good to see that immunity from antibodies seemingly lasts longer than earlier, smaller studies imply!
 
The free hand gel and antibacterial trolley/basket wipes have now gone from the entrance of my local Tesco. A little optimistic, don't we think?
 
Burbs said:
The free hand gel and antibacterial trolley/basket wipes have now gone from the entrance of my local Tesco. A little optimistic, don't we think?
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Not had them at my Local Asda or Morrisons since about middle of June.

One thing I picked up on over the long weekend and visits to a great many drinking establishments was the attitude towards taking track and trace details. Quite a few already had my details as I had made bookings for a few places.

Those I didnt have bookings for it was a case of scanning the code at the table, putting in details then being able to access the menu to book. I didnt come across any that didn't bother to ask, which was the case in London a couple of weeks back, but I had 2 instances where I had concerns about providing any personal info. The fiest being my local Spoons on Friday night, where they gave you a crayon and a scap peice of paper, and when filled in, was left in a bowl for anyone to take, especially after the guy on the door vanished and left it there. Second was the Chinese Buffet on Sunday eve in Liverpool where it was an A4 sheet on a clipboard left at the front door, which wanted full name address phone number. Needless to say neither of these places got correct details and feedback has been provided to both establishments about their lack of security surrounding personal information.
 
I'd be surprised if that was company policy. There was still plenty at my local Tesco a few days ago and I saw two members of staff giving all of the trolley handles a clean outside of the store.
 
Burbs said:
The free hand gel and antibacterial trolley/basket wipes have now gone from the entrance of my local Tesco. A little optimistic, don't we think?
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Yeah my local Asda had a big pump bottle of gel and that has now gone. I don't worry so much about wiping down the trolley/basket, but I want to be able to sanitise my hands after I've used the basket.

Yet most clothes shops, where it generally seems a little safer anyway were forcing me to use alcohol gel on entry.
 
All the supermarkets around here still have hand gel, trolley wipes etc. Their cheap hand gel is always really nasty though, have a bottle of my own stuff in my car that I just use when I get back to it.
 
The daily figure has really leaped up in the last 24 hours

2988 confirmed cases recorded in the last 24 hours, looks like we are heading for a second wave/spike :eek:
 
RoyJess said:
The daily figure has really leaped up in the last 24 hours

2988 confirmed cases recorded in the last 24 hours, looks like we are heading for a second wave/spike :eek:
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Are we surprised.
Some people have lost momentum covid protection
and others are into conspiracies theories that it a fake thing to make us compliant robots for the rich hidden overlords.


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RoyJess said:
The daily figure has really leaped up in the last 24 hours

2988 confirmed cases recorded in the last 24 hours, looks like we are heading for a second wave/spike :eek:
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I know the government has begun to target testing towards areas with high rates, so maybe that’s what’s causing the rise in cases? It’s been a widely publicised headline that people have had to travel up to 100 miles for a COVID test because the government has moved most of their capacity to the areas with higher rates.

Of course we need to remain vigilant, but this is also just 1 day; I’d keep an eye on the results for the next few days or maybe the next week to gain an idea. If cases begin to rise exponentially over the next week or so, then it’s time to take precautions, but this could be a 1-day anomaly for now.
 
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