Coronavirus

[RoyJess]

Are we surprised.
Some people have lost momentum covid protection
and others are into conspiracies theories that it a fake thing to make us compliant robots for the rich hidden overlords.


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You only have to look at some of my recent post on here to see that I'm not surprised either. Oh by the way, you missed out the Dominic Cummings effect in your last post.

I know the government has begun to target testing towards areas with high rates, so maybe that’s what’s causing the rise in cases? It’s been a widely publicised headline that people have had to travel up to 100 miles for a COVID test because the government has moved most of their capacity to the areas with higher rates.

Of course we need to remain vigilant, but this is also just 1 day; I’d keep an eye on the results for the next few days or maybe the next week to gain an idea. If cases begin to rise exponentially over the next week or so, then it’s time to take precautions, but this could be a 1-day anomaly for now.

The government have made it clear that they are concerned about the rise in figures, it is what you get when you unlock the lock down with mixed messages on what you should and shouldn't be doing, telling people to go out to eat, then tell you that we must all lose weight. Telling people to go back to offices to save the economy.

Yes the testing has gone up, but the increase in testing hasn't gone up as much as the increase in new cases. The daily cases have gone up 50% in the last 24 hours where testing hasn't increased by 50%.

 

[Vik]

The spike is due to a catchup of missing data, it should drop back tomorrow?

Death rates and hospital admissions still very low, which doesn't seem to get reported as much

And have lost count of all these second waves now, must be in to double figures now.

Also to note, I popped in to Chester this afternoon for non socialing reasons. Shops pretty dead, but pubs and bars busy inside and out, spilling out in to the street, pretty much same as Liverpool last week.

 

[RoyJess]

The spike is due to a catchup of missing data,

Handcock said it "MAY" be down to a catchup of missing data, he should know the figures for definate.

He is a man that I don't trust, especially with his previous PPE data (counting each glove as individual and not as pairs) and counted each test (one nose swab and one throat swab) as individual tests. He is certainly a man that I don't trust.

it should drop back tomorrow?

Yes the figures will be low tomorrow, it is always low on a Monday

Death rates and hospital admissions still very low, which doesn't seem to get reported as much

Yes they do get reported. The virus is high, but death rates are low, because the virus is circulating amounts the young. The vulnerable have either died from it, or are still shielding, plus treatment (which is not suitable for all) is getting better. Handcock has warned that the virus could make it way back to the vulnerable again resulting in a spike in deaths.

However, I've been keeping a close eye on all figures and the death figures suddenly dropped early last month when they decided to record the deaths in a different way.

 

[Danza91]

Cummings-gate was back in May... I think it's more people recognising life has to go on.

The changing of the way deaths are recorded, which I believe was also to be more in line with other European countries, was a welcome change IMO. The way it was being recorded before meant as time went on the true figure moved further and further away from being close to accurate.

It'll be interesting to see when Sweden, who never had a full lockdown, get taken off the naughty list considering they now have pretty low numbers of new cases.

 

[BarryZola]

Pretty interesting article here: https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/much-did-covid-19-lockdown-110145095.html

"In the early stages of the pandemic, there were estimates that Sweden would have 80,000 deaths as a result of not having a lockdown. In the event, the total currently stands at just under 6,000."

Basically concludes that having a total lockdown was probably not the best thing to do. Who would have thought it? Terrible handling by the government in general and Sunak has got to be the worst chancellor ever for all of the money he's spunked.

 

[delta79]

Pretty interesting article here: https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/much-did-covid-19-lockdown-110145095.html

"In the early stages of the pandemic, there were estimates that Sweden would have 80,000 deaths as a result of not having a lockdown. In the event, the total currently stands at just under 6,000."

Basically concludes that having a total lockdown was probably not the best thing to do.

The question is, would the British public followed the rules sweden had?
When we have people saying covid is a con, masks suffocate you, its the alien reptile overlords keeping us from seeing their true agenda. Or just saying F that

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[BarryZola]

The question is, would the British public followed the rules sweden had?
When we have people saying covid is a con, masks suffocate you, its the alien reptile overlords keeping us from seeing their true agenda. Or just saying F that

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We'll never know the answer to that. However, what I would say is that compliance with pretty much every request from the start of lockdown was very good generally and it was only months later when everyone got fed up of the constant restrictions on everything that people started really pulling out conspiracies and breaking the rules. There was only ever going to be so long that people were going to fully comply with restrictions and the more fed up people got the more likely they were to come up with excuses to fit their will to not be restricted anymore.

 

[BigT]

I think what we are seeing across Europe and the UK is that wearing a face nappy at best does nothing and at worst actually makes it worse.

 

[Rob]

Yet in Sweden, theme parks remain closed as they are open in pretty much every other European country. Let's not pretend that Sweden just carried out life as normal, there were just no formal restrictions on certain types of places having to close.

Yesterday's rise in cases is the first time I have been somewhat concerned by UK figures for quite a while. It is certainly a very big jump at a time when we don't want to going up too much as we head towards October and November. Hopefully it's a one off spike but let's see. It appears that the next couple of weeks are going to be crucial. The virus seems to be spreading more freely among younger people but if that spread continues to increase exponentially it will at some point break in to the more vulnerable population once again.

 

[MattyH]

In my local area they're recording more positive results because they are testing a lot more. I'm still not concerned about the number of cases and I think the effects of covid 19 are vastly over stated. The UK will not go into a second lockdown, the economy would be killed off and the tories would lose power which they don't want

 

[RoyJess]

I think the effects of covid-19 are vastly over stated.

For a majority of people, covid-19 will cause no issue. However Covid-19 discriminates against those with an underlying health condition and the older you are.

Global deaths equates to 883,538 and 41,551 here in the UK, that is a lot of people that have died before their time. That is also not mentioning the 10% to 20% of people contracting the virus that goes on to having on going long term health problems that is affecting their day to day life's.

This government has admitted that they are concerned and are preparing for a second bigger wave. You only have to take a look to see what has already happen abroad in certain countries with a second wave, we will follow suite.

The question is, would the British public followed the rules sweden had?
When we have people saying covid is a con, masks suffocate you, its the alien reptile overlords keeping us from seeing their true agenda. Or just saying F that

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I think this is the key, to unlock this country as we need to get the economy going, we all need to follow the social distancing rules. Unfortunately, there are many people that think this is not as bad as it is made out to be and are going about their lives as if there is nothing to worry about.

I have seen many stories of those disregarding this pandemic as nothing more than a seasonal flu to go on and either ending up in hospital or losing their own life or a love one to covid-19

Respect the social distancing in place as covid-19 won't respect you.

At the end of the day, I'm not listening to the politicians, as they are not the experts, they have a political agenda. We are taking directions and advice from Jess' GP and hospital specialist, after all, they are the ones with medical expertise.

The bottom line is, this is a new virus and no one knows exactly how and why it is behaving the way it is. They are still leaning from it every day and any future prediction on how it could behave over the next few months is just pure speculation, but nothing is for certain.

 

[Austin Towers]

I don't get caught up in the numbers anymore as there's absolutely damn all I can do about it. There's no point wrecking your head over increasing case numbers.

All we can do is follow the guidelines and I do believe measures are helping as it's quite possible that viral loading on individuals is less due to social distancing and masks. Less viral load = less severe cases. Of course there will still be severe cases and deaths but hopefully way less than before.

 

[Benzin]

Didn't all the businesses close in Sweden anyway because due to the various restrictions they couldn't trade or get materials in?

There's been a quiet rise of conspiracy nutters recently. Concerns me more that the anti-vac brigade will be out in force soon.

 

[Rob]

The conspiracy nutters make me laugh really. The fact that they think every single government in the world is woking together to make this whole thing up. What are the people who believe this on!?

Whilst I still think yesterday's figure is concerning, mainly because of the potential trend it could lead to, context is always required. Way way off the peak of about 180,000 infections a day.

 

[Jonathan]

The conspiracy nutters make me laugh really. The fact that they think every single government in the world is woking together to make this whole thing up. What are the people who believe this on!?

Whilst I still think yesterday's figure is concerning, mainly because of the potential trend it could lead to, context is always required. Way way off the peak of about 180,000 infections a day.

And yet when the conspiracy theorists make wild claims & are asked for evidence to back them up, we’re told to “do our own research”. Yeah, that’s not how it works. You make a claim? You back it up. Oh, and of course the ‘evidence’ is just flimsy at best, and can be easily debunked with just a modicum of logic.

 

[jon81uk]

I think what we are seeing across Europe and the UK is that wearing a face nappy at best does nothing and at worst actually makes it worse.

No most of the issues are coming from places where face coverings are not compulsory. Poor management at pubs, illegal club nights and large house parties are all the biggest drivers of cases now. This is also why Zante is an issue, 20-29 year olds, getting drunk and not worrying about distancing and the virus.

Evidence seems to be that wearing face masks is a significant factor in lowering the spread and France & many other countries are increasing the areas they need to be worn.

 

[RoyJess]

Whilst I still think yesterday's figure is concerning, mainly because of the potential trend it could lead to, context is always required. Way way off the peak of about 180,000 infections a day.

I don't think that it is the actual figure that is concerning, but the steep rise of the trajectory that is concerning.

For the past month we all know that the figures have been rising, it has been debatable on here and off here amongst the experts whether it is as a result of increase in testing or an actual rise in cases, the recent figures has now laid it to bed that is the latter (as confirmed on ITV lunchtime news)

 

[Danza91]

I would argue yesterday's figure is too early to draw conclusions from. An expert on ITV earlier on this morning was saying there are few factors to consider such as targeted testing, data lag, and also that the tests are very sensitive and may be picking up dead virus, meaning the person is not actually infected or infectious but it still counts as a positive test.

 

[RoyJess]

The spike is due to a catchup of missing data, it should drop back tomorrow?

I would argue yesterday's figure is too early to draw conclusions from.

Today's figures of 2948 have only dropped slightly, which is expected on a Monday, but still very high, don't forget I've been following these figures daily and keeping records

These are of concern to people like me who is shielding to protect a family member who is at high risk, Jess and I would like to see these figures come down so that we can start venturing out again.

These figures will also be concerning for business that may have to shut due to a potential local/nation lock down, plus there are businesses out there still haven't manage to be allowed to open or work due to the pandemic. I know a lot of my friends in the entertainment business have been out of work due to the pandemic.

 

[jon81uk]

These figures will also be concerning for business that may have to shut due to a potential local/nation lock down, plus there are businesses out there still haven't manage to be allowed to open or work due to the pandemic. I know a lot of my friends in the entertainment business have been out of work due to the pandemic.

I think theatres will slowly start to re-open if they can distance actors/crew and make a profit with a distanced audience. Some smaller shows are already returning. I think the bigger issues with theatre is entering and exiting in large groups, once seated the risk is probably lower. Also theatre goers are geneally sober and quiet.
But given the evidence of transmission from gatherings in pubs & house parties, I don't think we will see night clubs operating as full clubs with loud music etc for a long time. Its going to remain table gatherings only in the law I expect and we may even see more "lockdown" of pubs/bars if people can't be trusted to stick to their tables.