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Coronavirus

Coronavirus - The Poll

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imanautie said:
Just noticed Sainsbury's near me have printed badges (name tag style) for staff who are excempt!
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Ooh, might have to see if my store could do something similar, though they're encouraging staff with exemptions to wear the sunflower lanyards, which seems to be working fine anyway.
 
Jonathan said:
Ooh, might have to see if my store could do something similar, though they're encouraging staff with exemptions to wear the sunflower lanyards, which seems to be working fine anyway.
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It's literally just the standard Sainsbury's name tag but with text something like "I am excempt from wearing a mask, please continue to social distance"
(It's the Osmaston road Sainsbury's If that's useful information to pass on).
 
I have an interesting point that might be worth considering; as compliance with the guidelines seems to have gone down gradually since the start of lockdown, and many people seem to be fed up with the restrictions, could we end up seeing an end to the restrictions before the pandemic ends if compliance falls to a low enough level? This would also fulfill the government’s wish of reviving the economy, so it might be something they eventually consider.

Many have suggested that the level of compliance in the event of a second lockdown would be considerably lower than during the first one, and many have argued that it’s against human nature to be doing things like distancing and wearing masks for a long period of time (which I don’t disagree with; humans are a social species by nature, so it would be very hard for society to maintain complete compliance for a very long time). So could we eventually get to a point where society gets fed up of the restrictions and ditches them entirely, even if COVID hasn’t ended?

Now, I should make it very clear that I’m not personally advocating this idea; if the restrictions were scrapped entirely, the NHS would be under immense strain, and many vulnerable people would be at colossal risk, far higher risk than they are now. I am trying to follow all the guidelines as much as I can, because as much as I likely wouldn’t suffer that much if I had COVID (my mum tested positive in April, and my dad and sister both displayed textbook symptoms, so chances are I had it asymptomatically at some point), I don’t want to unwittingly spread anything to somebody vulnerable who might be in real trouble if they caught the disease. Also, my personal mindset is “the more we follow the guidelines now, the sooner we can go back to living without them”.

I was only wondering because over time, I feel like people’s patience with the guidelines has worn thinner and thinner, and it’s only going to get thinner once we get closer to things like Christmas, where people have a natural tendency to gather. What are your thoughts? Do you think the world might eventually just go “right, we’ve had enough” regardless of what COVID is doing?
 
Matt N said:
I have an interesting point that might be worth considering; as compliance with the guidelines seems to have gone down gradually since the start of lockdown, and many people seem to be fed up with the restrictions, could we end up seeing an end to the restrictions before the pandemic ends if compliance falls to a low enough level? This would also fulfill the government’s wish of reviving the economy, so it might be something they eventually consider.

Many have suggested that the level of compliance in the event of a second lockdown would be considerably lower than during the first one, and many have argued that it’s against human nature to be doing things like distancing and wearing masks for a long period of time (which I don’t disagree with; humans are a social species by nature, so it would be very hard for society to maintain complete compliance for a very long time). So could we eventually get to a point where society gets fed up of the restrictions and ditches them entirely, even if COVID hasn’t ended?

I was only wondering because over time, I feel like people’s patience with the guidelines has worn thinner and thinner, and it’s only going to get thinner once we get closer to things like Christmas, where people have a natural tendency to gather. What are your thoughts? Do you think the world might eventually just go “right, we’ve had enough” regardless of what COVID is doing?
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A lot would depend on if the government were able to shake that finite money tree a bit more as any lockdown would need to be funded like last time. At present the furlough scheme is winding down and coming to an end at the end of October. Ideally this should be extended until at least next Spring for those industries still struggling such as hospitality, The arts and Transport. But if a full UK lockdown is imposed again, this would need to be extended to cover all sectors otherwise there will be job losses on a scale not seen before. Something I fear anyway when the current scheme ends next month.
Support for businesses in terms of grants and short term loans would need to be extended too. Whilst loans do need to be paid back, if the business eventually ceases trading, then that debt gets wiped in a lot of cases.

Bolton has gone in to lockdown today, pretty much the same restrictions as the UK lockdown, with all pubs etc closing, but with the furlough scheme winding down and little support available for business it could prove unviable for many of these businesses to survive, and they certainly will be laying staff off now they have to pay towards the furlough scheme.

There does seem little appetite for a UK wide lockdown. The government needs to be careful, as afterall, they rule by consent. If they lose the consent of the people , and with government ministers alienating sections of society suggesting by suggesting they are granny killers they seem well on their way to acheiving that, thats when things start to get messy.

If there is another full UK lockdown then expect large scale job losses if support isn't extended and for it to get a bit messy on the streets.

Now if they can get an effective track and trace system in place there probably would be no need. Doesn't seem like they are anywhere near that yet, so instead its easier to makes threats to people and to flex their muscles in places such as Bolton to punish those who went out (on government advice & at government expense too) and dared to socialise.

I'm not sure people will tolerate a Christmas in any sort of lockdown/restrictions on meeting up with people. As mentioned before, I don't celebrate Christmas, but I do enjoy the 2 weeks or so I have off around that time and it is a nice break from the depressingly long dark nights and dreary days where I can socialise with friends, some family and get away for a week or so. It would be a thoroughly miserable experience if we were to be expected to not mix with anyone, and I am sure I am not alone in that thought
 
We just went back to church on Sunday. It's entirely probable that we can meet again this coming Sunday, but won't do so again until further notice. I'm facing the possibility of not going to church on Christmas Day for the first time I can ever remember. On the plus side, we could watch a Christmas morning service at home with prosecco in hand, which I see as a nice trade-off. :p
 
I like that the government are giving more than 5 days' notice for something like this, but a notice to have to quarantine on return from a foreign country has been regularly given with less than 48 hours to go.
 
Mikw said:
And where does this leave the Theme Paek Industry? I mean, i could gather at Alton Towers with more than 6 friends, many do
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This is something I've wondered, and a quick ask around has suggested this was roughly the rule when the parks first reopened.

We may see more info tomorrow that will broaden the details.
 
The Cardinal said:
I think theme parks will have more security lurking around from Monday, especially with Oktoberfest. There'll be a lot of fines thrown around without a doubt.
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Whilst I really hope that's not the case I'm not entirely sure if it's a realistic thing to assume, police weren't exactly strict enforcing during lockdown so I can't see private security doing anything.
 
Jonathan said:
I'm facing the possibility of not going to church on Christmas Day for the first time I can ever remember. On the plus side, we could watch a Christmas morning service at home with prosecco in hand, which I see as a nice trade-off. :p
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Knowing your luck. It will be sat at the kitchen table with your dad giving a Christmas morning service to you

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All this talk of face nappies and supermarkets is easy to solve, big sign on the way in “no mask, no entry, no exceptions” simple really instead of these please do this please do that, hard line then people might listen.

it won’t kill anyone to wear a mask for a few minutes whilst shopping, there should be no exemptions, if it affects you that much you should be at home shielding.
 
BigT said:
All this talk of face nappies and supermarkets is easy to solve, big sign on the way in “no mask, no entry, no exceptions” simple really instead of these please do this please do that, hard line then people might listen.

it won’t kill anyone to wear a mask for a few minutes whilst shopping, there should be no exemptions, if it affects you that much you should be at home shielding.
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Let's not forget Autistics are a thing it's not just breathing issues.
 
imanautie said:
Whilst I really hope that's not the case I'm not entirely sure if it's a realistic thing to assume, police weren't exactly strict enforcing during lockdown so I can't see private security doing anything.
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Police officer suddenly on every street corner, handing out fines to everyone they can. Government needs some way to pay off the furlough debt. :rolleyes:
 
BigT said:
I’m fed up with excuses to be honest, like I said it won’t kill anyone and if it would then don’t shop, I’m sure there are others that could shop for you.
Covid doesn’t give one if you are autistic or not.
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Hardly an excuse!
 
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