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Burbs said:
It's been announced this evening that house parties of over 15 people will incur fines of at least £800 to each attendee. Why, oh why, did they think it was a good idea to attach a number to this rather than just saying "house parties" or parties of any size. Even if fines are still going to be issued to other, smaller illegal gatherings, I can't help but think that this is just going to encourage a minority of people to get together in groups just shy of this number.
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You can’t have an enforceable law that isn’t public knowledge. It would be the equivalent of not posting speed limits on the roads and fining people for speeding.
 
Dave said:
You can’t have an enforceable law that isn’t public knowledge. It would be the equivalent of not posting speed limits on the roads and fining people for speeding.
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Oh I get that, but why not just say for any house parties/illegal indoor gatherings as opposed to sticking a number on it?
 
Burbs said:
It's been announced this evening that house parties of over 15 people will incur fines of at least £800 to each attendee. Why, oh why, did they think it was a good idea to attach a number to this rather than just saying "house parties" or parties of any size. Even if fines are still going to be issued to other, smaller illegal gatherings, I can't help but think that this is just going to encourage a minority of people to get together in groups just shy of this number.
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another example of why this lockdown will fail
And why two school years will be wasted
Shocking
 
Dave said:
Why does a minority of people having parties show the lockdown is failing?

Each lockdown has reduced infection rates, they seem to be working as expected.
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Surely the need to make this fine announcement shows that people are not obeying the rules this time, thus failing?

rates are down yes, but reading the news today it seems there is no way we are coming out of full lockdown in February
My bet is April/ May before restrictions and pressure on the NHS subside
 
I don't see anything to demonstrate that lockdown is failing, cases are plateauing/falling and going the right way in most places. The print press have suffered a decline in readership, meaning they have a real need to get clicks on their website. That's why the likes of The Sun have been quite happy to switch in mere weeks from pointing out low death rates and "incorrect" data to try and justify an almost anti-lockdown message, over to now expressing how high deaths are and pointing out "crowds" with carefully taken pictures.

I know I've said this before, but an element of non compliance with restrictions is always built into the recommendations made. The overall message is do not meet with others and stay at home. The people who are breaching that would do that no matter how much it was hammered home. To those that want to listen, the message is perfectly clear.

In comparison to the March lockdown, there are far more important variables that I feel are much more likely to have had an effect in cases taking longer to level off:
  • The new strain being more transmissible
  • The delay in implementing stricter measures/wrong decisions being made across regions experiencing a rise in cases.
  • Schools becoming a big factor in transmission and a delay in any decision to close them
  • The big one - Christmas bubbles allowing infections to shoot up and therefore increased prevalence, especially of that more transmissible strain
  • Far fewer businesses having to close completely, with large amounts of people being able to go into work for construction and retail.
  • Other businesses who stopped trading in March encouraging/forcing their employees to come into work. Especially the likes of retail, where as long as you can get your customers to order over the phone/internet and collect you can pretty much open anyway.
  • Schools, whilst open to "key workers" as with March are available to a far wider ranging number of children who's parents can't work from home or do not have sufficient access for online learning. This keeps them as an issue for increasing transmission.
I don't think anyone realistically expected lockdown to be lifted in February. When this one was announced, we were always told there would be a review in February to decide what changes were needed at the expiry of this one. My absolute highest expectation would've been we'd come out of lockdown and into Tier 4, which is ultimately not a great deal of difference anyway. There was never going to be an instant end to lockdown, after past cockups it was always going to be a slow 'turning of the tap' to change minor things, take time to assess and then decide on next steps.
 
This may be a controversial statement so sorry if I offend

the leaked paper showing plans for a payment of £500 for positive tests

we’re in a time of great financial hardship and desperation - is there not a risk these people may seek to get infected to gain the payment ?

I know there has been a similar scheme already for those on low incomes - but I really feel the government are setting themselves up to fail here

to financially incentivised someone to isolate is a good theory, but one I can see failing due to the logic and desperation of ‘some’ of the population.

surely the £453m expense forecasted per week would be better spent supporting the businesses we have open, that could close (takeaways, click and collect retails, etc) this reducing movement further ?
 
Yup, my wife's employers have recently started paying people who need to self isolate due to work contact with people who have tested positive...the good and proper thing to do.

Unfortunately, now, when someone goes down with the virus, they get pestered by idle winkers who ask them to put them on their T&T list...two weeks free paid holiday.

Shooting is too good for some people.
 
Burbs said:
It's been announced this evening that house parties of over 15 people will incur fines of at least £800 to each attendee. Why, oh why, did they think it was a good idea to attach a number to this rather than just saying "house parties" or parties of any size. Even if fines are still going to be issued to other, smaller illegal gatherings, I can't help but think that this is just going to encourage a minority of people to get together in groups just shy of this number.
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Just thinking about the housepartys with more than 15 people. Thats a ridiculously high number for most houses. Assuming an average of 4 people per household that allows for 3 households with almost room for a 4th. We used to throw parties of less than 15 all the time and with everyone in 1 room that can be quite a crowd. I'd like to know the size of the house of whoever came up with that figure...
 
rob666 said:
Yup, my wife's employers have recently started paying people who need to self isolate due to work contact with people who have tested positive...the good and proper thing to do.

Unfortunately, now, when someone goes down with the virus, they get pestered by idle winkers who ask them to put them on their T&T list...two weeks free paid holiday.

Shooting is too good for some people.
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Or in the case of where my partner works, the manager calls the infected person to tell them not to mention anybody's names to track and trace, due to there being plenty of ventilation in the building anyway. True story unfortunately.
 
Sharko said:
Or in the case of where my partner works, the manager calls the infected person to tell them not to mention anybody's names to track and trace, due to there being plenty of ventilation in the building anyway. True story unfortunately.
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Wow. Hopefully the HSE get on the case with a spot check.
 
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Good fun in Aldi just now.
Doing my weekly shop, idiot behind me at the tills breathing down my neck as I fill the conveyor belt.
Turn round, firm eye contact with the idiot with mask on chin.
"Could you back up a bit please".
No response.
"Please will you keep your distance"...
Idiot just looks away.
"GET AWAY FROM ME NOW...YOU KNOW THE RULES."
He jumped back two metres, whole store stares.
Big smile and thumbs up from the nice lady on the till, filthy look from the idiot.
 
Burbs said:
It's been announced this evening that house parties of over 15 people will incur fines of at least £800 to each attendee. Why, oh why, did they think it was a good idea to attach a number to this rather than just saying "house parties" or parties of any size. Even if fines are still going to be issued to other, smaller illegal gatherings, I can't help but think that this is just going to encourage a minority of people to get together in groups just shy of this number.
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How many house parties have more than 15 people anyway ?
 
I think it is to stop the pay parties...oh the blues I used to attend in my youth...joined up cellars in Headingley under four houses, cans at 50p each.
 
So some very early evidence (and it is early) suggests the UK variant is more deadly. It will require some more data but the figures been seen in hospitals would back this conclusion. It still seems that this variant is vulnerable to the vaccines however.
 
Dave said:
So some very early evidence (and it is early) suggests the UK variant is more deadly. It will require some more data but the figures been seen in hospitals would back this conclusion. It still seems that this variant is vulnerable to the vaccines however.
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Yes very convenient news from Prof Doom and Dr Gloom on TV this evening, I’m sorry but I just don’t believe them anymore.
Pedalling panic to try and get the numbers not listening obeying and keep the fantasy lockdown going as long as possible, it’s almost like they are getting off on this power trip.

A bit like vaccines, yes fantastic numbers but unfortunately I’ve witnessed quite a few cases this week of what can only be described as monstrous queue jumping.
Young fit people being vaccinated ahead of the old and vulnerable on very dubious grounds, at what point do young able NHS car park assistants, recruitment agents “volunteering” in hospitals and private massage business owners class as vulnerable?
It’s damn right discussing that’s what it is, my 70 year old parents haven’t been out of the house for 9 months as neither have certain people on this forum yet these parasites have jumped the queue, the NHS sometimes has a lot to answer for.
 
Scientific studies I’ve seen suggest it’s not more deadly and press tonight are reporting Sage themselves are 50:50 on whether it is or not. Personally I think the stress the hospitals have been under may be partly a factor in the higher deaths. Take ICU for example which is usually 1:1 care. In some hospitals this has become 1:4 due to staff shortages.
 
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