Coronavirus

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Coronavirus - The Poll

  1. Not had test

    46.3%
  2. Tested negative

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  3. Tested positive

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  1. Danza91

    Danza91 TowersStreet Member

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    I personally think it'll be a hybrid. WFH more will probably benefit those with kids, however the younger generation I personally believe are better off in an office more often than not. Speaking from experience, it's a better way of learning, learning from others, sharing ideas, communication is easier, and you get the added benefits of a social life with work, the chance to meet new people.

    There's pros and cons for both. I've been WFH since 2014 and although it's saved me a load of time and cash, I do feel like I've missed out a lot on the social side of things.

    I'd expect most employers to give people the choice as not everyone will be in a position to permanently work from home due to their living arrangements and mental health.
     
  2. Craig

    Craig TS Administrator Team Member

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    The drop in confidence on the AZ vaccine following the idiotic comments from a lot of higher ups in European countries has had a really damaging effect. A recent YouGov survey compared to one carried out in February is frankly terrifying for the EU. It's no exaggeration to say the poor handling of the situation will result in many more deaths and hospitalisations that could've been easily avoided.

    For example, just 23% consider the vaccine safe in France, while a massive 61% think it's unsafe. Just 36% in Italy think it's safe and only 38% in Spain. The graphic below demonstrates just how badly things have fell (purple line), even having a small effect in the UK:

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    As a relatively new technology, mRNA vaccines are notoriously more difficult to produce than the more traditional AZ vaccine, so having trust in the AZ vaccine is an essential tool in the rollout in the EU. To have the reputation of it damaged so badly, despite a real world example of how well it's performing just across the pond here in the UK is inexcusable really. When many countries are already sceptical of vaccines, it's clear that they've seriously hampered their recovery.
     
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    jon81uk TowersStreet Member

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    Although of course office workers (in general) had better sick pay arrangements anyway and could take a couple of days off when feeling under the weather. But I agree many will probably work from home now on days too ill to get to the office but still well enough to work.

    Its the low paid who will lose out as usual.
     
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    Rob TS Forum Team Team Member

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    Wow, that really is quite shocking. But not suprising, for some reason senior officials or leaders in certain European countries have continiously found ways to portray the AZ vaccine in a negative light with no real evidence. Politicians should not be overruling experts and regulators when it comes to these matters.

    My mum was vaccinated last month, just after it came out that many EU countries would not be authorising the AZ vacccine for over 65s due to concerns over a lack of data. This in turn did make my mum more wary of receiving the AZ vaccine and she wanted to try and get the Pfizer (which my dad had already received). In the end she knew it was best to just book a slot and get a vaccine but it shows how decions such as those that have been made across the channel can have a real impact of vaccine scepticism that is not at all helpful.
     
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    My mum raised her concerns with me about the AZ before having it. I reassured her and told her that that there is a higher chance of blood clots from contraceptive pills than the AZ vaccination to which she then seemed less concerned.

    I think we will see higher cases and unfortunately more deaths across Europe as people decide not to take the vaccines. For places which have high tourism from the UK it must be frustrating as (for once) we seem to be getting ahead of the curve and they can't open up because of their countries unneeded blocks of the vaccines
     
  6. rob666

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    I don't like to give praise to Yorkshiremen, but fair credit to shakey.
    I tell him to throw a sickie and join us for a weekday afternoon in the company of dippy and our rick on a weekly basis through the summer, and he has refused every last time.
    Miserable tyke.
     
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    In terms of vaccines; if we do end up falling into problems with the EU with regard to supplies of the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines, I reckon a good alternative could be Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine. It has been proven to have very high levels of efficacy and can be stored at regular temperature, so it offers a lot of flexibility as well as phenomenal efficacy!

    Besides, we should also have doses from Moderna, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax coming online before too long, which won’t even need to go through the EU, so they should help ease the burden. I believe Moderna’s first shipment is on its way to Britain now!
     
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    The problem with Sputnik V is that many people (including the British government) still don't trust Russia. I'm not sure if it would be possible to get the public to trust Russia.
     
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    The Russian vaccine would have the same if not worse of a public imagine problem in the UK as the AZ one has in France.
     
  10. Matt N

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    How come? It’s incredibly effective (I think it was 92% in efficacy trials, which were peer-reviewed in the Lancet and approved by the WHO), and numerous other countries have ordered doses; even Germany was said to be looking into it!

    I know that Russia has a bit of a reputation over here, but I genuinely think that Sputnik V would be an excellent bolster to our vaccine lineup here in the UK.
     
  11. AT86

    AT86 TowersStreet Member

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    Just over three years ago the Russian government arranged a nerve agent poisoning in the UK. Incidents like that don’t exactly help matters when it comes to injecting people with the ‘Russian vaccine’.

    Big image problem.
     
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    Remember also the Russian government approved the Sputnik V vaccine before it had even passed clinical trials. I don't know about you but that doesn't fill me with confidence. Even the Russians don't trust it (only 30% willing to receive it).

    I'm aware recent tests are favourable but it just feels like corners were cut and that's caused reputational damage as a result.
     
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    The rumour is that the Russian vaccine is a copy of the AZ one and it was basically stolen in an IT hack of Oxford uni last year.
     
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    There was an attempted hack of the Oxford system that didn't get past the firewall, remember the news story from last year, can't give a formal source, probably the Observer.
    The Russians paid to copy the Oxford vaccine...why bother if they had already stolen it?
     
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    Yeah, I can't see the UK government procuring that Sputnik V vaccine for a whole host of reasons. There would be very little public confidence in it for a start largely due to recent tensiosn between the UK and Russia. Also I cannot find where I saw this now but the Russian media have been having a field day with what has been going on with the AZ vaccine, portraying it in a very bad light.
     
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    The US are doing really well with their vaccine rollout at the moment, I imagine this isn't a huge setback for them.
     
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    Just a heads-up, there's a national minutes silence at 12pm to remember the UK's Covid victims. Today is one year since the first lockdown began in March 2020.
     
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    Out of interest, have we heard anything about the approval of the Johnson & Johnson and Novavax vaccines in the UK?

    These could really add some extra ammunition to our rollout, especially the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine; that one removes any need for second doses. I believe Novavax is also the one that Britain has the second most doses of behind AZ, and it’s being manufactured in Stockton-on-Tees, so that should help too.
     
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  20. Dave

    Dave TS Founding Member

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    Likely April for Novovax but supply won’t start until closer to summer regardless.
     
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