Coronavirus

[rob666]

Oh Boris...
We are only winning the vaccine war because we are corporate greedy b'astards.
No good saying it then denying it, we all know you meant it.
Yup, greed is good, not only for your wallet, but for your health overall.
So that explains the 400,000,000 doses of vaccine we have ordered, we can sell 75% off to other deserving conservative greedy nations that are of like mind.
Just let the rest die, for they do not hold the right wing faith.
My actual thoughts on this could only be expressed in the Tavern.

 

[Rob]

Maybe he meant it, maybe he didn't. Only he really knows, and to be honest it doesn't bother me. Apparently it was a joke poking fun at the 'greedy' chief whip who was scoffing his face at the time.

Vaccines were ordered at a time where we did not know if any of them would actually work. The Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor both went on the record saying that developing a successful vaccine may never happen, and we cannot expect it to happen. The fact that so many of them have proven to be effective really is quite remarkable. Therefore it made sense to put your eggs in plenty of baskets to increase the chances of getting one that did work. The fact that they all might is a bonus!

Greedy? Perhaps. In the UK's best interests? Probably. Let's see what we actually end up doing with any surplus supply we end up with.

 

[Alsty]

Will there actually be a surplus? Or will the vaccines on preorder be tweaked to tackle the newer variants?

We've been told that Coronavirus is going to exist forever and will probably become like flu (endemic rather than pandemic), therefore annual vaccines seems likely to me.

 

[Craig]

I think there's still likely to be a surplus considering the 5+ doses per person of what we've ordered, perhaps some of the later to market brands will go elsewhere. We'll likely have a few "main" vaccines that we use going forward (probably AZ, Pfizer, Novavax at a minimum) with tweaked boosters of those eventually being a thing every year.

 

[Benzin]

One could easily argue that "greed" and "capitalism" were very responsible for the deaths of many. Particularly after the first wave and the desperate strives to reopen a country numerous times before ready.

 

[Rojo]

I saw this cool info graphic on a BBC article which shows where most European countries are in relation to 7 day average of daily cases...

Hopefully our aggressive Vaccine rollout will serve us well in not having a huge 3rd wave as things open back up. I as surprised at how badly France and Germany are doing in comparison to Netherlands, Spain and Belgium. Although all of them are currently going back upwards a tick.

Original article source

 

[Dave]

I saw this cool info graphic on a BBC article which shows where most European countries are in relation to 7 day average of daily cases...

Hopefully our aggressive Vaccine rollout will serve us well in not having a huge 3rd wave as things open back up. I as surprised at how badly France and Germany are doing in comparison to Netherlands, Spain and Belgium. Although all of them are currently going back upwards a tick.

Original article source

If you look at UK, Netherlands, Belgium and Spain we have all arguably had our third wave (depends how you define a wave), the countries struggling now are hitting theirs a bit later.

 

[Matt N]

After a cancelled vaccine appointment scheduled for earlier this month, I’m finally getting my first dose of Pfizer this Saturday!

I’m glad to be getting it, but I’ll admit I’m also very nervous at the same time...

 

[Jonathan]

It's understandable to be nervous about it, Matt, but I don't doubt for a second that you'll be fine. At least you're finally getting the vaccine you've eagerly awaited for so long!

 

[rob666]

You will be fine Matt.
I chuckled and thought of you when going for mine...three different no under eighteen stickers on my route to the needle!
They really do not want to inject under 18's.

 

[Thameslink Rail]

You will be fine Matt.
I chuckled and thought of you when going for mine...three different no under eighteen stickers on my route to the needle!
They really do not want to inject under 18's.

That or you were going to a night club or a casino or something
More seriously, I wouldn't have thought it would have made much difference. If we were talking about vaccinating children then I could see why they would be worried about whether the vaccine would be safe at the dosage they are giving it to adults but is four months below worth the fuss?

 

[rob666]

Local cathedral actually...best service I ever attended there, 12 minutes in total.

 

[Burbs]

If we were talking about vaccinating children then I could see why they would be worried about whether the vaccine would be safe at the dosage they are giving it to adults but is four months below worth the fuss?

I guess there's got to be a cut off somewhere though.

 

[Alsty]

More seriously, I wouldn't have thought it would have made much difference. If we were talking about vaccinating children then I could see why they would be worried about whether the vaccine would be safe at the dosage they are giving it to adults but is four months below worth the fuss?

Well the AZ vaccine is only approved for 18s and over. Giving it to anybody under that age would be an off-label use.

Not that the vaccine is unsafe in under 18s, it's just not got the data to prove safety and efficacy. There are clinical trials ongoing to gather this data.

 

[Matt N]

Well the AZ vaccine is only approved for 18s and over. Giving it to anybody under that age would be an off-label use.

Not that the vaccine is unsafe in under 18s, it's just not got the data to prove safety and efficacy. There are clinical trials ongoing to gather this data.

The AZ is only approved for over-18s, while the Pfizer is approved in anyone over 16. I know this very well, because that’s why I had to cancel my initial appointment!

The only 16-17 year olds being vaccinated are ones with underlying health conditions or learning difficulties that place them into group 6 (e.g. myself), and they are all being given the Pfizer vaccine, as it’s licensed in 16-17 year olds, unlike the other candidates (as it turns out, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Novavax and J&J all have an 18+ age limit, so Pfizer are somewhat of an outlier in allowing 16-17 year olds to have their jab).

As it turns out, the day I’m going for my vaccination was listed as AstraZeneca on the latest vaccination schedule they posted (admittedly over a week old, and they themselves admit that the schedule is subject to change due to supply), along with every other date they currently have listed (although the day I’m going is the last date prior to this alleged supply shortage, which might have something to do with it), but the man on the phone made it very clear that he knew that I’m only eligible for the Pfizer vaccine, so clearly the vaccination centre has managed to eke a Pfizer dose from somewhere for me! They did say when we called yesterday that they were going to try and squeeze me in with the second doses, so it’s probably to do with that, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see... hopefully there’s a Pfizer dose there when I go on Saturday.

 

[DistortAMG]

I will get the vaccine at some point. But honestly? I am not really bothered or fussed if I do or do not get it and when I get it.

If the opportunity arises I will take it, but I will not go out my way to get it.

I have worked for a large company all over the pandemic where you could say social distancing has not really happened at all, for whatever reason.

I've had plently of tests (as required by my job). But during work, interaction with lots of other people, on a daily basis, with no masks or PPE has gone on as normal for the last year, as it would have done before that. That includes interacting with many HGV drivers every day, who travel all over the country and Europe on a daily basis.

Maybe I am being arrogant or even nieve, who knows. But to be honest, getting the vaccine is not even close to the top of my priorities. I am not an anti vaxer by any means, I will take it. But, given how life has gone on for the last year at work, it has changed my priorities somewhat.

This is not me being 'rogue' or against the 'system' like many others, this is about me being able to effectively and efficiently carry out my duties.

 

[Jonathan]

That seems fairly reasonable to me. Though as we've seen, some who definitely should be on the priority list have been overlooked for the vaccine, and I've no problem with them pushing for it - especially when they've been shielding for at least a year!

 

[imanautie]

I've just got the invite for my jab, 7 back to back pages of easy read.
So I should be levelling up tommrow!


I wasn't actually expecting it any time soon as I'm not sure why I'm classed as priority as to my knowledge being autistic by itself doesn't qualify.

 

[Jonathan]

I've just got the invite for my jab, 7 back to back pages of easy read.
So I should be levelling up tommrow!


I wasn't actually expecting it any time soon as I'm not sure why I'm classed as priority as to my knowledge being autistic by itself doesn't qualify.

My only guess is it falls under the 'severe and profound learning disability' part of Group 6, and is just a blanket thing regardless of how severely autistic individuals are affected by it. I'm still amazed I got mine in February, but hey - I'm not going to complain about it!

 

[imanautie]

My only guess is it falls under the 'severe and profound learning disability' part of Group 6, and is just a blanket thing regardless of how severely autistic individuals are affected by it. I'm still amazed I got mine in February, but hey - I'm not going to complain about it!

That's the thing by itself autism isn't a learning disability.

Interesting to note is my GP letter I use for rap mentions I'm on the learning disability register however