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Coronavirus

Coronavirus - The Poll

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There is hope guys. The virus isn't having same effect in every country that it is in Italy n China. Most likely because it is mutating.

Germany for example have had 2000 cases and just 2 deaths so the death rate is 0.15 % and they haven't done a great deal different to the UK in terms of cambatting it.

We've had 10 deaths in 8 weeks and all had very serious health conditions.

I'm still optimistic that we will get through this relatively unscathed. It will obviously take some people but hopefully not the same as in Italy.
 
RoyJess said:
Well that will put a spanner in the works for Ant and Dec's Saturday Takeaway final
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I think the planned finale is in April, so they might re-open, but its very unlikely. Also by that point will we be advised not to take flights to the USA?
 
I feel sorry for leaders around the world. No atter what they do, they will be ripped apart when this is all over.
Doomsday happed? You should have done more!
Doomsday averted? You over-reacted and ruined the economy!
 
jon81uk said:
I think the planned finale is in April, so they might re-open, but its very unlikely. Also by that point will we be advised not to take flights to the USA?
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From what I understand, this health crisis is going to go on for a good few months. Possibly right into the autumn. That our summer well and truly screwed
 
Dave said:
Because once you reopen the borders it starts it’s spread again. You will by now have super carriers who harbour the virus for months without showing symptoms. You can’t shut down the country for months as then you start killing people in other ways:

The plan is to slowly infect the young population to create herd immunity. That’s until a vaccine is developed. You do it slowly so the health system doesn’t get overwhelmed.

You want a steady rate of infection in the healthy, I know this sounds callous towards those at risk but biology doesn’t really care. The virus will spread and it won’t be stopped by shutting down borders (that only works in virus that kill quick like Ebola).

That’s the theory anyway.
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Yep, I do understand this. I just hope they have factored in the large numbers of young people (20s, 30s, 40s) with no comorbidies coming in to ICU in a critical condition as being reported in the US and Italy at the moment into their modelling, as all we seem to hear about is keeping the NHS for the elderly and vulnerable.

In terms of herd immunity, I heard today the aim is for 60% of the population to catch this to get herd immunity. Not sure how they get to this figure as this figures varies by virus (measles is 95% of the population for example) but I do understand why they are doing this - after all, if it comes back in the winter as they seem to think it will, those countries who hid people away will have to go through all the quarantine again, while us Brits will hopefully be able to go on cheap holidays without fear of catching it again.

In terms of the NHS, I have seen letters sent out to doctors and nurses in other specialities now saying they need to be available within 12 hours to be called up and will need to work in areas unfamiliar to them. Fair enough, but what does concern me is guidance from our trust which states that a staff member coming in to contact with a patient with suggestive symptoms, but not yet tested positive, should wear a surgical mask, while those confirmed will need to wear a FFP3 respirator. Surely this is putting NHS staff at risk as the surgical masks dont protect against the virus.

Also just heard the rugby game I had tickets for (Wales v Scotland) due to take place tomorrow has now been called off. Sensible move I think.

I have a hunch Merlin will not open their parks next week........

Out of interest - anyone doing anything different to prepare for this? Regardless what people may think, I havent been panic buying, or walking around in masks and goggles. What I have now changed however is taking some vitamins, Vit C + Zinc and Vit D (high strength) and just trying to eat a bit more healthy than normal to get my self ready for when I do catch it (which I accept most of us probably will).....
 
GaryH said:
Yep, I do understand this. I just hope they have factored in the large numbers of young people (20s, 30s, 40s) with no comorbidies coming in to ICU in a critical condition as being reported in the US and Italy at the moment into their modelling, as all we seem to hear about is keeping the NHS for the elderly and vulnerable.

In terms of herd immunity, I heard today the aim is for 60% of the population to catch this to get herd immunity. Not sure how they get to this figure as this figures varies by virus (measles is 95% of the population for example) but I do understand why they are doing this - after all, if it comes back in the winter as they seem to think it will, those countries who hid people away will have to go through all the quarantine again, while us Brits will hopefully be able to go on cheap holidays without fear of catching it again.

In terms of the NHS, I have seen letters sent out to doctors and nurses in other specialities now saying they need to be available within 12 hours to be called up and will need to work in areas unfamiliar to them. Fair enough, but what does concern me is guidance from our trust which states that a staff member coming in to contact with a patient with suggestive symptoms, but not yet tested positive, should wear a surgical mask, while those confirmed will need to wear a FFP3 respirator. Surely this is putting NHS staff at risk as the surgical masks dont protect against the virus.

Also just heard the rugby game I had tickets for (Wales v Scotland) due to take place tomorrow has now been called off. Sensible move I think.

I have a hunch Merlin will not open their parks next week........

Out of interest - anyone doing anything different to prepare for this? Regardless what people may think, I havent been panic buying, or walking around in masks and goggles. What I have now changed however is taking some vitamins, Vit C + Zinc and Vit D (high strength) and just trying to eat a bit more healthy than normal to get my self ready for when I do catch it (which I accept most of us probably will).....
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1) Global trends are not suggesting large number of young people with no other illnesses are being admitted to ITU. Unless you have a source?

2) Herd immunity required percentage depends on how contagious a pathogen is. Measles is horrifically easy to catch so needs a 95% rate. At the moment 60% matches the known transmission rate of the virus. This could change.

3) The mask situation is due to how common the symptoms of Covid are. If we wear masks for everyone with a cough we would run out of masks in 24hrs. It’s a pragmatic decision with some assessed risk attached.
 
Over 200 new cases today. Roughly doubling in case numbers daily in the UK at this point.

We did a calmly restock of food supplies just about 3 weeks ago (about a week before the panic buyers stripped the shelves) but are expecting a baby any day so wanted to make sure we had everything we need so we don't need to leave the house.

I work in the NHS and have been told to expect to be called up to other departments if SHTF with the possibility of having to stay on site and have hours increased and leave canceled (don't know if this will apply to paternity leave or not)
 
Dave said:
1) Global trends are not suggesting large number of young people with no other illnesses are being admitted to ITU. Unless you have a source?
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Just two I pulled from Twitter but there are more.





Dave said:
2) Herd immunity required percentage depends on how contagious a pathogen is. Measles is horrifically easy to catch so needs a 95% rate. At the moment 60% matches the known transmission rate of the virus. This could change.
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Fair enough.

Dave said:
3) The mask situation is due to how common the symptoms of Covid are. If we wear masks for everyone with a cough we would run out of masks in 24hrs. It’s a pragmatic decision with some assessed risk attached.
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Yep, understand although if I had a person in front of me otherwise fit and healthy who is struggling to breathe.... given the circumstances, i'd think thats a pretty good indicator they may have the virus!
 
What I don't understand about all of this, is that every week thousands of people are dying of the normal flu in the UK and have been for years and we don't go into a meltdown every year and implement the measures that have been introduced.

To put it in perspective, more people in the UK died of normal seasonal flu (and related illnesses) in the first 3 weeks of this year, than there have been Worldwide deaths due to Covid 19 in its 3 months lifespan.

Have I missed the point, or is this just the World getting caught up in hysteria?
 
GaryH said:
Just two I pulled from Twitter but there are more.







Fair enough.



Yep, understand although if I had a person in front of me otherwise fit and healthy who is struggling to breathe.... given the circumstances, i'd think thats a pretty good indicator they may have the virus!
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Tweets are not validated data but assuming they are accurate. The first tweet says they have had young people in ITU. Not surprising, mentioned before in any health trend you get outliers. The second tweet suggests 10% of patients where “young”. Italy seems to have an unusually high morbidity compared to other countries though.
 
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