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Coronavirus

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Tim said:
Have you got any numbers to support this? PeteA's original post very clearly showed that the common cold is more deadly.

55 dead sounds like a terrible number, but it's nothing compared to the millions of people about to lose their jobs / a reliable source of income once this country shuts down!

Protect the old and vulnerable for now, but keep the young and fit going on as usual. Because in a couple of months time we are going to be wishing we hadn't made such a rash decision when thousands of people find they don't have jobs to go back to.
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Do you seriously think that the common cold is more deadly than Covid-19? Wow.

I'm all for being positive and avoiding scaremongering, it helps no-one, but a disease which government models suggest might kill 250,000 if nothing is done is quite clearly more deadly than the common cold.
 
The common cold does not leave 5-10 percent of those that catch it on life support..... It's going to take a while for covid to kill more than flu or common cold in the UK but it will get there and fast.

This "it's just the flu bro" business needs to stop
 
Doublethink said:
The common cold does not leave 10 percent of those that catch it on life support..... It's going to take a while for covid to kill more than flu or common cold in the UK but it will get there and fast.

This "it's just the flu bro" business needs to stop
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Think you meant to quote a different person. I've never said anything about this just being like normal flu.
 
Doublethink said:
The common cold does not leave 5-10 percent of those that catch it on life support..... It's going to take a while for covid to kill more than flu or common cold in the UK but it will get there and fast.

This "it's just the flu bro" business needs to stop
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Regardless, the economy can't shut down indefinitely.

The disease won't be eradicated before the quarantine has to end and will just start spreading rapidly again once it does.
 
D4n said:
Regardless, the economy can't shut down indefinitely.

The disease won't be eradicated before the quarantine has to end and will just start spreading rapidly again once it does.
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You are probably right, it will spread again once nomrality resumes. But we have to stop/slow it as much as we can otherwise the NHS is going to fall apart. See following model:

 
The problem is, the NHS don't have enough ventilators, they showed last night how little the NHS have here in the UK compared to Spain, Germany, Italy etc... If these countries in Europe are struggling, then anyone that get seriously ill here in the UK from this are totally screwed.

Ordering more ventilators are not going to help, you also need a least 5 trained nursed per bed, we don't have that number of nurses.

They recon that we could be living with Covid-19 for many years to come, this is not going to be over within the year
 
Benjsh said:
'Only' 1 more UK confirmed death today so far. That's much lower than i was expecting given it jumped a fair bit over weekend.

I wonder why we seem to have avoided the Italian situation given their first confirmed case of Covid-19 was only a day before us.

Is it dumb luck? Is it something they have done to make it spread more? Or is it taking longer here to get to their levels?

It makes no sense to me.
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It makes perfect sense, but because this goes against the thinking of the vocal minority who seem to be practically begging for quarantine, questioning their great superior intelligence will get you cancelled.

I have given up trying to explain to people now that we are not four weeks behind Italy, we are only a day but because we took a different approach and let people take responsibility for their own actions instead of herding them indoors like cattle it so far hasn't caused the massive spike in infections that this did in Italy.

Of course, when Italy declare the emergency over and lift the restrictions, they'll be a second wave, that will likely kill even more people than this one.

But don't let historical data and science get in the way of the BBC and their cronies fear mongering.
 
BarryZola said:
I have a prediction. This situation will continue for months and months and with no vaccine available until next year some time the government will u-turn and just say we all have to try to go on as normal with the exception of the most vulnerable. We can't go on for 12 months with businesses and economies being totally destroyed. Just my prediction.
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I have another prediction. That the business lobby will kick up a right old fuss in a few weeks and the government will gradually moderate their advice to accomodate them
 
It's a good idea isolating the elderly and those with underlying health conditions but they need to take more serious measures. My grandparents are in their 70's and thankfully they're isolating but I know some people aren't listening. The government really need to get stricter about ensuring they don't leave. Maybe reject them from pubs, shops, etc but that'd be difficult as everyone over 60 would have to show valid ID and underlying health obviously isn't visible. This is what makes it hard for those of us that probably won't even be aware that we have it.
 
Rob said:
Do you seriously think that the common cold is more deadly than Covid-19? Wow.
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Unless the numbers are wrong (and I'd love for someone to show me otherwise) more people are currently dieying from the common cold than Covid-19. It just isn't reported on because the common cold is not news.

I will aknoledge Covoid-19 is serious and has the potential to be more deadly than the common cold. However I dont belive it is as deadly as the repocusions of shutting down the whole country.
 
Tim said:
Unless the numbers are wrong (and I'd love for someone to show me otherwise) more people are currently dieying from the common cold than Covid-19. It just isn't reported on because the common cold is not news.

I will aknoledge Covoid-19 is serious and has the potential to be more deadly than the common cold. However I dont belive it is as deadly as the repocusions of shutting down the whole country.
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So if this is not much worse than the common cold, perhaps not even as deadly, why have hosptals in China and Italy been completely overrun? Why did China have to build new hosptals to be able to cope? Why are the Government looking at buying up beds in private hospitals and even hotels to help try and cope?
 
Key word - currently

Common cold / flu has been in circulation forever and is spreading as it has always done. Covid-19 meanwhile is new with case numbers increasing seemingly exponentially if uncontrolled. The trouble is no-one knows where the peak is - if the peak is at around common cold levels then sure carry on, if it turns out that basically everyone will get it and a (relatively) large percentage of those will require hospitalisation then we're in real trouble.

People have been throwing around predictions of it killing ~500,000 people in the UK. Given that the government's original plan was to build herd immunity by gradually letting at least 60% of the population get it (which may or may not be an effective way to prevent indefinite spread) and that a not insignificant proportion of those infected die, that figure suddenly sounds pretty plausible.

On a more positive note, China have seemingly got it pretty much sorted without having it kill off 0.5% of their total population. Hopefully the rest of the world catches up.
 
Radio 5 live on my way in to work this morning quoted a govenment scientist saying they believe its actually around 50,000 - 60,000 people now infected in the UK.

China will be interesting to see what happens when everyone goes back to work and life starts to get back to some normality - I think the whole world is waiting to see what happens to be honest - its like one big experiment!
 
Chessy Shop said:
:rolleyes:

Stop comparing this to the seasonal flu, this spreads much more quickly and has a fatality rate that is ten times higher than the flu. Panicking doesn't help, but neither does acting like this is no big deal.
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Maybe you are right. Maybe I shouldn't compare this to seasonal flu. I mean Covid 19 hasnt killed anywhere near the numbers that seasonal flu has already done this season. As facts stand today, normal seasonal flu is a bigger killer than Covid 19. That is fact. What is not a fact though is your comment that it spreads more quickly and has a fatality rate ten times higher than flu. We dont do a test for normal flu, many people get it and get on with it, not even bothering to go to a Doctor.

I personally am not bothered about Covid 19, just like I am not bothered about Flu. I say this as someone who is not a spring chicken anymore and as someones whos wife has immune deficiency. What will be will be.

What I am bothered about is the impact that this mass panic, purely created by media, social media and governments, will have on society. How many people will needlessly lose their jobs because of the measures implemented around the World? How many people will struggle to buy food / get food? How long will it be before the panic buying turns really ugly?

This is real my concern about all of this.
 
IanSR said:
But don't let historical data and science get in the way of the BBC and their cronies fear mongering.
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Yes, how dare the BBC report the facts as presented by the most experienced experts in the field using all of the data available to them, vastly more data than will be available to any of us? They should be reporting on what this bloke on the internet thinks.
 
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BarryZola said:
I have a prediction. This situation will continue for months and months and with no vaccine available until next year some time the government will u-turn and just say we all have to try to go on as normal with the exception of the most vulnerable. We can't go on for 12 months with businesses and economies being totally destroyed. Just my prediction.
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I'll add to that: Once a "vaccine" is magiced up, it will be mandatory. Those who have it will be tattooed / chipped / marked in some way to show they are allowed outside. Those who refuse will be forcably quarenteeded, locked up, bannished, or even killed (either legally or lynched by a mob).

... Isn't there something in the bible about this...?
 
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