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delta79 said:
It all comes down to food hygiene. The uk has a department of the food standards agency call meat hygiene.
Meat hygiene check the standards of abattoirs and the meat processed through them.
If the meat in china was regulated in the same way as the uk. Then we would not be talking about it.

At the end of the day it not the meat. Its the quality and hygiene of it.

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There's plenty of people killing and eating their own livestock, or scraping up roadkill, outside of that system in this country, and I wouldn't mind betting that China has a very similar food standards system for the prepared food and mainstream retail which the vast majority of Chinese people eat from.

bluesonichd said:
Always wash your meat first.
Live by that moto and you can’t go far wrong
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As you seem to have turned in to a parody of yourself it's impossible to tell when you are joking or serious, but if that is not some sort of genitalia based joke then that is terrible advice.
 
China filed a patent for a drug seen as one of the best potential weapons against covid the day after it confirmed human transmission of the disease.
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The application was made by Wuhan Institute of Virology
:tinfoil:
The same lab working on developing covid




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...filed-patent-drug-helps-patients-recover.html


China global cover-up concerns after it filed patent for drug that helps some patients recover
By Ian Birrell for The Mail on Sunday 22:00 25 Apr 2020, updated 04:51 26 Apr 2020

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filed a patent for a drug seen as one of the best potential weapons against the day after it confirmed human transmission of the disease.

The revelation that it moved so fast fuels concerns about a cover-up of the pandemic when it erupted in Wuhan last year, and suggests that China’s understanding of the virus was far advanced from the impression given by its public stance.

Last night, Tom Tugendhat, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, joined the growing global clamour for a full, independent inquiry into China’s role.

‘It is quite clear there is an awful lot that we don’t know about the emergence of this disease and the responses to it,’ he said. ‘We all need to learn the lessons of the outbreak so the international community can respond better in the future.’

China’s Communist Party leaders face accusations that they suppressed data, blocked public health teams from investigating, silenced doctors seeking to warn the world about the epidemic and delayed admitting there was human transmission.

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On January 21, a patent for commercial use of Remdesivir ¿ a drug initially created by an American pharmaceutical firm to fight ebola ¿ was filed in China (file photo)
The contagious nature of the virus was confirmed by President Xi Jinping on January 20. Leaked documents have shown that even after officials knew they faced an epidemic, they delayed warning the public for six days.

On January 21, a patent for commercial use of Remdesivir – a drug initially created by an American pharmaceutical firm to fight ebola – was filed in China.

The application was made by Wuhan Institute of Virology, the top-secret bio-laboratory at the centre of concerns about a possible leak of the disease from its research on bats, and the country’s Military Medicine Institute.


The contagious nature of the virus was confirmed by President Xi Jinping (above) on January 20. Leaked documents have shown that even after officials knew they faced an epidemic, they delayed warning the public for six days
The move was described as ‘provocative’ by one website specialising in clinical research.

Gilead, the California-based developer of the drug, says it filed its own global applications for Remdesivir’s use against coronavirus four years ago. Countries, firms and scientists around the world are collaborating in the race to find effective treatments and vaccines.

The winners will derive immense prestige – and would boost China’s narrative that its response deserves praise, not opprobrium.

Gilead said it was aware of the Chinese move but had no influence over the patent office’s decision and could not comment since precise details of the application would not be published until next year. ‘Our focus at this time is on rapidly determining the potential for Remdesivir as a treatment for Covid-19 and accelerating manufacturing in anticipation of potential future supply needs,’ a spokesman added.

The drug, hailed as ‘promising’ by US President Donald Trump after anecdotal reports that it had helped some patients, is already being given to certain coronavirus cases on compassionate grounds.

The drug, hailed as ¿promising¿ by US President Donald Trump after anecdotal reports that it had helped some patients, is already being given to certain coronavirus cases on compassionate grounds (file photo)
Stocks are in such short supply that it could not be included in the world’s biggest trial of possible treatments being run by Oxford University. One leading US epidemiologist said it offered ‘hope’ but ‘won’t likely be a home-run drug’. This was underlined last week by leaked results of an initial trial in China that raised concerns.

But Gilead argued this study was stopped due to low patient enrolment and said results of a major US government trial would be released next month. This study is designed to show if Remdesivir, when given to patients with a range of disease severity, improves outcomes such as length of hospital stay, need for mechanical ventilation and survival rates.

Professor Martin Landray, a leader of the Oxford study, said doctors would probably end up with a range of drugs to fight the virus, adding: ‘It is unlikely we will get a wonder drug that will knock out the infection.’

Prof Landray said drugs might be used in combinations to help reduce death rates.

He added: ‘Even if you find a drug that reduces the death rate by one fifth, that would have meant we would have been able to save about 4,000 lives already in Britain.'
 
bluesonichd said:
China filed a patent for a drug seen as one of the best potential weapons against covid the day after it confirmed human transmission of the disease.
:tinfoil:
The application was made by Wuhan Institute of Virology
:tinfoil:
The same lab working on developing covid
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That antiviral drug that has existed for years?

That drug we already use here for other conditions?

That drug that was found to not actually work for covid?

Unless it's like videogame DLC and world governments need to pay EA China to unlock the full range of therapeutic effects?
 
They filed a patient for it at the very start of this outbreak even though it was an American company that came up with the drug. The idea was if the drug was found to work in trials then they could start making it quickly. Recent recent from the study have shown it to be ineffective against covid.
 
bluesonichd said:
All these people on 80% salary should have their income tax payments doubled when they go back to work.
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Yeah, and a tax break or bonus for key workers who have had to carry on going to work would be nice. There'll be no money left for that now though. It's going to everyone at home having BBQ's whilst I'm at work to help pay for it through my tax contributions.
 
I'd dispute the fact that the majority of furloughed workers would love to get back to work, but there are probably a minority who actually enjoy their jobs who no doubt struggle for whatever reason with not being able to go into work (or people who just need the structure). There's no doubt that a lot of people are actually fine with this extended holiday though and have taken advantage of it to get jobs done around the house, other projects that they've always put off, having all the time in the world to have a decent exercise regime and get fitter than they've ever been, sunbathe, get a 2nd job and enjoy double salary for a while etc etc. This has been a great opportunity for a lot of people and the key workers have kept the country going and have not been entitled to any of these opportunities.
 
I also agree that those on furlough should pay more tax but it won’t happen.
The tax burden will fall on the likes of me who has been working throughout and taken nothing from the government as always.
 
A tax break for key workers isn't going to be possible surely? Because without people paying full taxes it's going to be difficult to fund services such as the NHS which will be really struggling after this?
 
BeccaH said:
A tax break for key workers isn't going to be possible surely? Because without people paying full taxes it's going to be difficult to fund services such as the NHS which will be really struggling after this?
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Tax break for key workers paid for by higher tax of all other workers.

But yea the economy will be screwed
NHS buggered
Loads more dead because of it.
Because the gov refuse to do anything but keep us all locked up
 
It's not the government refusing to end lockdown, it's that it's not safe to do so. More people would die and the NHS would be under more pressure if Boris ungrounded us (purely a joke - don't take that seriously) now. Just bear with the government (and this is coming from a Labour supporter) and follow their instructions.
 
The last thing the government wants is to relax lockdown wrong and lead to another lockdown. This what people need to understand yes lockdown is crap and the economy is failing and they think the government ain’t doing anything. But they are doing the best they can to avoid another lockdown and like or not we have to trust there advice and accept that when they are ready to relax lockdown it’s because it’s safe enough to.
 
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