Discussion in 'European Parks and Attractions' started by Russ, 29th Jul 2014.
Don’t tell Nigel!
There's a guy on a YouTube video saying this is more intense and extreme than Steel Vengeance.
It certainly seems to be going down a bang.
Will try to plan a short trip for 2020 once the Vekoma opens.
Wow, that's a lot of hype it is going to have to live up to! Will be interesting to see if others start saying similar things; from POVs it does not look as strong as SteVe but POVs do not always tell the full story.
wut? Is he caught on the hype train?
Think it looks great but probably no Vengence killer.... Gwazi on the other hand could be.
Do you have a link to the video?
It was just a POV. One comment from a user said it was more intense and so on.
I am cautious from being swept away with it, as so far Steel Vengeance is so far ahead of other coasters (incl. RMCs) that I have been on.
I tend to find coasters end up in their rightful place about 1-2 years after opening. I remember people declaring Swarm the best ride in Britain when it opened.
All this said, though, I think Zadra looks a lot better than I had been led to believe. I was under the impression the layout was very similar to Goliath when in fact it isn't really.
The main reason Steel Vengeance is so good is because of the length. It's like the first half is similar to say, Zadra, but then it turns into Storm Chaser after the mid course
Agree that Gwazi looks more like an SV challenger.
Remember folks, anything new is always TEH BEZT RID EVVAH!
They also have a Mine Train of a similar scale to Colorado Adventure opening next year
How many guests do they get per year?
I'm genuinely baffled by the investment. Surely spreading large attractions helps promote tourism? The current development is totally unsustainable. Are they planning on removing the tat they installed in the early days?
You look at "big" players in Europe (PA, Disney, EP, Efteling, Garda)... they don't add anywhere near at this rate. Are Energylandia adding other rides too that we're missing? Dark rides, flat rides, water rides?
It's clearly great we are seeing all these rides but I just concern myself it'll crash and burn I'd they're not careful.
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Apparently Energylandia does get quite busy; the park allegedly got 1.5 million guests last year and is on track to get even higher numbers this year!
When I visited in April there were significantly less guests on park than staff, I'd guess less than 200. It was horribly quiet and I got the impression that this was not unexpectedly low, nor was the weather particularly poor.
If that is anywhere close to normal it is clearly not sustainable.
April is a quiet period for the park, but it does get quite busy and the attendance numbers are soaring.
The funding from the EU is stopping (or, at least, becoming harder to receive) after next year since they'll be seen as an established place. That's one reason why they've invested so heavily recently, because they can get the subsidies from the EU. From 2021, they still have plenty of coasters planned, but it'll certainly be slowing down a bit.
The park's quality has slowly increased too as visitation has increased. 2016 they had Formula, the Vekoma launch, as their headliner. But they've grown as attendance has grown, which in turn as grown attendance. The park of course can't carry on with this forever, but for the time being it's okay.
There's also been an increase in theming and a focus on areas the past couple of years. Hyperion and Speed were nicely styled, along with their Junior Boomerang. The Dragon Zone with Zadra is a step in the right direction, and this double launch and the mine train will be continuing that vibe.
The long term plan is to improve the fairground-esque area too, but the park want to focus on expansion where it's easier to develop new stuff. The park do have an okay selection of flat and water rides; a bit basic, but not awful. Could be improved.
Dark rides are where they fail at the moment - only one and it's terrible. The Dragon Zone was meant to have one (a trackless shooter similar to the one at Legendia), but apparently it was too costly for that project so they backed away. They have the space free and still intend to build it at some point, when though is unknown.
The park is owned by a very rich Polish family who have lots of experience in business; they own nightclubs, footwear brands, drink brands and more. The key owner loves roller coasters and has said he wanted to build a park as far back as 2009. Though the park does feel a bit like 'RCT3 in sandbox mode' at the moment, there is a long term plan and serious business thought behind it. I'm sure it'll be sustainable in the long term.
The current investment reminds me of Thorpe in the 2000s, where it was a lot of big attractions is quick succession...
As a brand new park, such investment isn't exactly unsurprising, and if the levels are linked to the amount of money they can get then it's no wonder they're going all out...
It's pointless comparing such levels of investment to parks that have been established for years and able to slowly build themselves up to current day, because brand new parks like this need something to keep the guests invested... Legendia already existed before their investment, but to start from scratch is a much harder thing to do given the European park market...
I have been at the park for 3 days and I must admit that I think Zadra is better than Steel Venegance but not as extreme.
Now hear me out before the lynch mob is set loose on me.
You see I personally dont rate Steel Vengeance that high as it has ejector for the sake of it. Zadra doesn't ride that way. The elements are more spaced out and gives me a more enjoyable ride. Steel vengeance has a great first half but the last bit spoils it for me. Zadra is a fun enjoyable and not painful experience.
It's not the best RMC I have done. Lightning Rod and Wildfire are much better.
One thing to note. Massive queueline and no re-ride policy.
Shawn's review is in- he says its the most intense RMC he has done including Vengence and is more speed and transition focuses than airtime. Improved restraints compared to the other RMC coasters and sounds like it's well up there in his top 10.
Just watched the Zadra bit on my lunch break. Oh my word. What a ridiculous coaster it is. Without a doubt looks like best coaster in Europe alongside Wildfire.
Can't wait to get out to this park. Was going to try and squeeze a trip in this autumn but with a upcoming disneyland Paris trip I might have to wait now for the new Vekoma Shockwave coaster in 2020.
Quick question about Energylandia. Has anyone taken a taxi direct from Karakow Airport to Energylandia? How long and how much roughly?
It's about an hour drive I think so it's going to be very expensive in a taxi
Think I read Shawn TPWW post he got an Uber last week so he might mention it in his vlog?
Not entirely sure if this has been posted before, but star parcs are alluding to this being the layout for next year's Vekoma:
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