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Well Well Well, Leicester City now being charged. Interesting what sort of points deduction they might get IF they go up
 
Everton, forest and Leicester are small fry and easy targets. I would at least expect Leicester to get 4 points like forest.

Incredible how the 3 clubs that have been done for financial irregularities have gained absolutely nothing through there bad financial decisions.

Everton are Everton. Bitter.
Leicester are in the championship and look like they could throw promotion away.
Forest have been that dim they have over spent on players the owner thinks are good because he's heard of them.

Once the PL and their lawyers dig through the mountains of paperwork that citeh have allegedly buried all there payments in, pep being paid bonuses through the airline that's in no way owned by city's owners. As an example.
 
I admit our owners/team have been careless. Everton have sold some quality players but also signed some proper dross. Leicester again seem to have self capitulated, as watching them win the league and play champions league i was hoping one day Forest could just make the premier league,
 
Think for Leicester if they blow promotion this season the EFL will have a field day going through their accounts. So they could end up starting next season with a points deduction regardless of which division they are in.
 
And why can't City have each one of their over 100 charges ruled upon individually, or in small batches? Why do they have to conclude on all of them after a massive amount of time? Is that so that if they find them guilty they'll only suffer for one season, unlike for the multiple seasons that they've benefited from swindling the advertising revenue system? For example, say they're found guilty of 20 charges as a total guess, if they sanction them in one season for that, they could just get relegated to the Champo for 1 season and then be back in the Prem the next and challenging for the title. If you were to punish them on a rolling program for each few times they're found guilty, they would probably not be able to challenge for the Prem title for several years which would hurt them a lot more than basically spending 1 year winning the Championship and then probably returning and winning the Prem again the next season. Their lawyers will be dragging appeals out for years anyway, and by that time the rules will probably have changed so all the charges will be reduced or thrown out.
 
BarryZola said:
And why can't City have each one of their over 100 charges ruled upon individually, or in small batches? Why do they have to conclude on all of them after a massive amount of time? Is that so that if they find them guilty they'll only suffer for one season, unlike for the multiple seasons that they've benefited from swindling the advertising revenue system? For example, say they're found guilty of 20 charges as a total guess, if they sanction them in one season for that, they could just get relegated to the Champo for 1 season and then be back in the Prem the next and challenging for the title. If you were to punish them on a rolling program for each few times they're found guilty, they would probably not be able to challenge for the Prem title for several years which would hurt them a lot more than basically spending 1 year winning the Championship and then probably returning and winning the Prem again the next season. Their lawyers will be dragging appeals out for years anyway, and by that time the rules will probably have changed so all the charges will be reduced or thrown out.
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The PL are going over everything with the finest of tooth combs. This is such a complex case by all accounts. I've already mentioned the rumour of pep being paid bonuses by the sponsors and not the club to avoid FFP. They need to get this bang on.

The other argument that has been said to many a citeh supporter who gets upright about the charges is. If they have done no wrong, prove it. Why hide behind behind big expensive lawyers. If the evidence is there to say what they are alleged to have done is false. Shows us. Easy as that.

Pep's time at city could be rubbed away if this all goes through. There are times I look at him and wonder if he would swap all the success at city, to win fewer things at Liverpool and be held at such regard by the supporters as klopp is. We already know he loves Anfield.
 
So, being Scottish I'm not allowed to have an opinion on your flag, but what does everyone thing of the flag on the England shirt? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68632034

To me, it looks like a logo for a pharmacy, more than a national flag.

I was shocked to see the SFA are charging £75 for our shirt, but to hear that the [E]FA are charging £125... I was floored. The biggest scandal here is how much these shirts cost IMO.
 
Slugjc said:
Incredible how the 3 clubs that have been done for financial irregularities have gained absolutely nothing through there bad financial decisions.
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What really screwed us over is being set to qualify for the Champions League 2 seasons in a row, and then falling away at the end of both seasons and ending up in the Europa League. We had been building a squad that could compete for top 4, and because of this had a very high wage to turnover ratio. Far from ideal, not helped by our wholly incompetent director of football. Not selling anyone in the summer of 2022, like we had done every previous summer, does now look like a big mistake.

But as our statement pointed out, is it fair to sanction clubs who dare to show ambition? We've done it, succeeded, and now are being punished for not being able to sustain that. The likes of Newcastle and Villa want to disrupt the traditional top clubs but are being hamstrung by these rules. Meanwhile, Manchester United are just allowed to pile up hundreds of millions of pound worth of debt.
 
The shirts are beautiful but ridiculously over-priced and so I wont be buying. The colour change on the St George’s cross is unnecessary but not worth losing sleep or trying to get Nike ‘cancelled’ over.
 
BarryZola said:
You shouldn't be changing the flag on a national team's shirt. How many other countries FA's would allow a change to their national shirt's flag? More virtue signalling nonsense.
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The flag was changed in 2010 -

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And again in 2012 -

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And no one batted any eyelid?

It's been done now and people are spouting faux outrage because they think it looks like it represents an LGBTQ+ flag, when it doesn't. In fact, if people had even bothered to do a modicum of background reading, they'd have seen what Nike said when the shirts were released -

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At this stage in proceedings people aren't even trying to hide their distain towards marginalised groups. It's a very sad time to be a football fan.
 
Rob said:
What really screwed us over is being set to qualify for the Champions League 2 seasons in a row, and then falling away at the end of both seasons and ending up in the Europa League. We had been building a squad that could compete for top 4, and because of this had a very high wage to turnover ratio. Far from ideal, not helped by our wholly incompetent director of football. Not selling anyone in the summer of 2022, like we had done every previous summer, does now look like a big mistake.

But as our statement pointed out, is it fair to sanction clubs who dare to show ambition? We've done it, succeeded, and now are being punished for not being able to sustain that. The likes of Newcastle and Villa want to disrupt the traditional top clubs but are being hamstrung by these rules. Meanwhile, Manchester United are just allowed to pile up hundreds of millions of pound worth of debt.
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They also really REALLY need to review the way these PSR sanctions are happening. It's farcical having random points deductions happening throughout the season. Surely it has to be done in the summer or at a singular cutoff point mid-winter at the absolute worst? The way it is impacting ongoing games is ridiculous.
 
Alastair said:
They also really REALLY need to review the way these PSR sanctions are happening. It's farcical having random points deductions happening throughout the season. Surely it has to be done in the summer or at a singular cutoff point mid-winter at the absolute worst? The way it is impacting ongoing games is ridiculous.
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I get that there is a need for PSR regulations, but what they are trying to do is not working. The legal issues are taking far too long to deal with. A team could be relegated, but because of delays in PSR sanctions, in a couple of years may find that due to another team receiving a PSR deduction, that they shouldn't have been relegated. Equally a team could win the league (ie. Man City), and due to prolonged legal wrangling have it taken off them in a few years. It is madness.

Also, why are there not fixed penalties? The deductions are completely arbitrary. It should be played out in stone - such as 3 points for £5-20m, 6 points for £20-30m etc.

The whole thing is a farce, but governance is needed.

The issue is not just PSR though. There are the issue of one owner, multiple teams. State ownership of teams. Potential franchises from other shorts owning teams. People buying teams to make TV shows. There needs to be robust governance and clear laws in place. I feel we are in the concerning position of entering a rabbit hole, maybe we are already there.
 
There nothing wrong with ambition. Right way and wrong way to do it. Brighton and Brentford have had a similar model where they build slowly. Buy cheap and sell on, whilst always on the look out for the next bargain to bring forward. That's the right way. How all clubs should be run. Leicester took advantage of the bigger sides having a poor season, it elevated the club to a point it couldn't keep up with the Liverpool's etc.

Leicester, forest and Everton have all just thrown money at players that just aren't worth it. The clubs suffer because you own so many mediocre players on high wages that can't be offloaded until the contact expires. Hence no money comes in.
 
Slugjc said:
There nothing wrong with ambition. Right way and wrong way to do it. Brighton and Brentford have had a similar model where they build slowly. Buy cheap and sell on, whilst always on the look out for the next bargain to bring forward. That's the right way. How all clubs should be run. Leicester took advantage of the bigger sides having a poor season, it elevated the club to a point it couldn't keep up with the Liverpool's etc.

Leicester, forest and Everton have all just thrown money at players that just aren't worth it. The clubs suffer because you own so many mediocre players on high wages that can't be offloaded until the contact expires. Hence no money comes in.
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Not disputing that fact, but the likes of Brighton and Brentford used Leicester as a model for how they wanted to operate. They've stuck with that, but a combination of one summer of bad decisions, a fraud of a manager and a useless director of football has come back to bite us. And losing our chairman in such tragic circumstances has not helped matters at the club.

And we didn't just take advantage for one season. We had a period of sustained success that has not been seen for a club out of the top 6 in recent years, or heck even Spurs who are supposedly a top 6 club!

Let's be honest, the PL and the so called big 6 hated that little Leicester came along and ruined their party for a while!
 
Too big for your boots. We saw last year with west ham. Being in Europe is all well and good. As klopp and Pep often talk about. The toll it takes on the squad is very damaging. Even for clubs like Liverpool and city. Players need to be managed.

Leicester downfall started the second that helicopter crashed. Nothing to do with the party being ruined. A tragedy and a family coming to terms with having to run their dads project. Football is hard. (Then again, appointing that Shakespeare bloke didn't help nevermind BR.)
 
The problem for Brentford and Brighton will be the same that befell Leicester and Southampton. Eventually the lads you buy hoping to sell on turn out to be no good and your stuck with them and have to buy again. The next manager and director of football aren't as good as the last ones and suddenly top 8 becomes bottom half, and suddenly a relegation scrap.

Still no one has been as bad ran as Everton the past decade, just awful decision after awful decision. Only thing they've got to cling to is that stadium project.
 
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