Gröna Lund: General Discussion

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  1. Funcone

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    It's got relatively short six car trains, which might lead to a gentler ride. But then again Fenix has six car trains and I thought it had more punch than The Swarm.
     
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    Yh we enthusiasts need to know knot to judge a ride by it's pov (Hakugei)!
     
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    How is Hakugei? It looks incredible from the POV, though not personally ridden it myself!
     
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    It originally received criticism when it was released but now the recent povs show it being faster than the original pov when it'd barely been running!
     
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    People who’ve ridden it have said it’s right up there with SteVe for them, with some even ranking it above SteVe!
     
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    Grona Lund may be facing bankrupcy

     
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    Oh dear that's not great!
     
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    B...b....but Sweden are doing everything right!? All is jolly there!?

    Hopefully their statement is more putting pressure on the government in Sweden more than anything else. Although if they are other Swedish parks were forced to stay closed in 2021 then it would be no surprise if some simply close for good. You can't keep going for two years with zero revenue.
     
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    You would have thought if the situation was si desperate then they would have ceased payments to B&M / the construction firm responsible for building the new coaster.

    The fact that it is still be erected I would take as a positive sign (for now).
     
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    I guess it depends on the payment terms negotiated with the manufacturer and construction company.

    There does seem to be a bit of a misconception that parks can simply down tools on new/underway projects and all will be fine. The reality is contracts are negotiated with payment terms that everyone has agreed to. This isn’t something unique to ride manufacturing. It happens everywhere.

    Look at it from a supply chain point of view. Someone like B&M isn’t going to want to have manufactured all that hardware, only to then be told it isn’t needed any more and that they won’t be paid for it. They have their own overheads (rent/mortgages, utilities, staff, taxes, etc.) to pay off, plus their suppliers as well (such as steel manufacturers, electronics companies, hydraulic and pneumatics providers, and the like). I remember John Wardley once discussing the topic and I’m sure he said with Intamin the park had to pay 50% up front for manufacturing to commence and then 50% on final delivery and commissioning of the ride (those percentages may be out, but the principle is correct).

    If anyone wants to break from the payment schedule it will need to have been agreed with all parties, unless the party in question wants to risk impacting their financial and credit reputation. Yes, just like you or me, businesses have credit files and similar records which any vendor worth their salt will consult before deciding to enter a contract with them. If the risk is high you turn down the job, or you demand more up front to cover your costs in the event that something goes wrong. Equally, the party left out of pocket may choose to charge late or missed payment fines as well to try and recoup something.

    For someone like Disney where a lot of production takes place in house it’s slightly easier, as a lot of their divisions are their own customer (such as design and aspects of theming). But for other parks, it’s a part of the chain which needs to be satisfied.

    Either way, hopefully this isn’t quite as drastic as it seems at first glance and the park are using their as a means of gaining financial support if they are told they can’t open.
     
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    I thought the opening of this had been pushed back to 2022, but it turns out that it is set to open on April 24th 2021! Well, that is if the park is actually allowed to open then, it could still be 2022 before it opens!
     
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    Confirmation that Monster will indeed have the original Invert trains:



    YES!
     
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    I doubt the Banshee trains would have coped with this layout; it's far too compact.
     
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    Yeah I agree, they would also have been too heavy.
     
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    Well this angle makes it look a little... erm, little (although according to RCDB taller than Inferno).

    #lolliger

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    Photo cred to coasterblog.se
     
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    Great photo! It's an interesting project. Is RCDB saying it's 111.5ft from the tallest piece of track to the lowest? If the station's buried underground, that would add some height to the ride.
     
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    I believe it's the highest point above ground level, as some coasters are listed as having an overall height or tallest drop height, or both in some cases.
     
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  18. Danny

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    That first drop really does look punchy!
     
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    Looks slow. Especially the second lap ;)

    I kid it looks really nippy. I actually really like little B&M's. They can really pack a punch on the small elements. If it rides like it looks this could be a great coaster.
     
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    Beamers are still number 1 for me. Incredible bits of kit.

    However the new restraints aren't great.
     

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