Gröna Lund: General Discussion

Funcone

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It's got relatively short six car trains, which might lead to a gentler ride. But then again Fenix has six car trains and I thought it had more punch than The Swarm.
 

MattyH

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GIIBBB
Grona Lund may be facing bankrupcy

In recent days, there has been talk in the media about Gröna Lund risking bankruptcy if we are not allowed to open next year. How could it have happened like that? It's about three things and we'll try to explain these in a concise way (although it's a rather complicated situation).
1. We were never allowed to open 2020
We were ready to open in a corona safe way, but the government chose to say no. We have therefore had no revenue at all since autumn 2019. Did you know that all other countries in Europe opened their amusement parks in the same safe way? Learn more about how we can open carefully at www.gronalund.com.
2. We have not received any targeted financial compensation
Despite being forced to stay closed, we have not received any targeted financial support from the state.
3. We have not been notified about opening 2021
We need a message from the government that we can open safely in spring 2021. Why do we need a message already now? Well, opening an amusement park is not done in a turn. It takes time to recruit staff, train employees and prepare restaurants, games and attractions.
There is hope!
We are in a very tough situation, but we only manage to open spring 2021-obviously in a safe way.
If you have questions, feel free to ask them here, so we will try to answer them as best we can.
#öppnaGrönan2021

 

Rob

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Steel Vengeance
B...b....but Sweden are doing everything right!? All is jolly there!?

Hopefully their statement is more putting pressure on the government in Sweden more than anything else. Although if they are other Swedish parks were forced to stay closed in 2021 then it would be no surprise if some simply close for good. You can't keep going for two years with zero revenue.
 

D4n

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Zadra
You would have thought if the situation was si desperate then they would have ceased payments to B&M / the construction firm responsible for building the new coaster.

The fact that it is still be erected I would take as a positive sign (for now).
 

Ian

TS Team
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Dizz, Bobby’s Yarn Land 🧶
I guess it depends on the payment terms negotiated with the manufacturer and construction company.

There does seem to be a bit of a misconception that parks can simply down tools on new/underway projects and all will be fine. The reality is contracts are negotiated with payment terms that everyone has agreed to. This isn’t something unique to ride manufacturing. It happens everywhere.

Look at it from a supply chain point of view. Someone like B&M isn’t going to want to have manufactured all that hardware, only to then be told it isn’t needed any more and that they won’t be paid for it. They have their own overheads (rent/mortgages, utilities, staff, taxes, etc.) to pay off, plus their suppliers as well (such as steel manufacturers, electronics companies, hydraulic and pneumatics providers, and the like). I remember John Wardley once discussing the topic and I’m sure he said with Intamin the park had to pay 50% up front for manufacturing to commence and then 50% on final delivery and commissioning of the ride (those percentages may be out, but the principle is correct).

If anyone wants to break from the payment schedule it will need to have been agreed with all parties, unless the party in question wants to risk impacting their financial and credit reputation. Yes, just like you or me, businesses have credit files and similar records which any vendor worth their salt will consult before deciding to enter a contract with them. If the risk is high you turn down the job, or you demand more up front to cover your costs in the event that something goes wrong. Equally, the party left out of pocket may choose to charge late or missed payment fines as well to try and recoup something.

For someone like Disney where a lot of production takes place in house it’s slightly easier, as a lot of their divisions are their own customer (such as design and aspects of theming). But for other parks, it’s a part of the chain which needs to be satisfied.

Either way, hopefully this isn’t quite as drastic as it seems at first glance and the park are using their as a means of gaining financial support if they are told they can’t open.
 

Rob

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Steel Vengeance
I thought the opening of this had been pushed back to 2022, but it turns out that it is set to open on April 24th 2021! Well, that is if the park is actually allowed to open then, it could still be 2022 before it opens!
 

Funcone

TS Member
Great photo! It's an interesting project. Is RCDB saying it's 111.5ft from the tallest piece of track to the lowest? If the station's buried underground, that would add some height to the ride.
 

Burbs

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Iron Gwazi
Great photo! It's an interesting project. Is RCDB saying it's 111.5ft from the tallest piece of track to the lowest? If the station's buried underground, that would add some height to the ride.
I believe it's the highest point above ground level, as some coasters are listed as having an overall height or tallest drop height, or both in some cases.
 

Tim

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Air / Blue Fire
Looks slow. Especially the second lap ;)

I kid it looks really nippy. I actually really like little B&M's. They can really pack a punch on the small elements. If it rides like it looks this could be a great coaster.
 

Benjsh

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Steel Vengeance
Beamers are still number 1 for me. Incredible bits of kit.

However the new restraints aren't great.
 
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