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Liseberg: General Discussion

The man arguably gave us the best period in the park's history. I wish him luck and will be interesting to see what happens at Tivoli with him now on board.
 
Just got back from a great opening weekend at Liseberg, it’s been a couple of years since my last visit so was nice to get on Loke (can we have one in the uk please!) and Valkyria was one of my favourite rides there, probably enjoyed it a little more than Helix.

The area around Valkyria, Helix and Balder really feels complete now, with the theming and music around it. They just need to sort other bits of the park out, why they still have that awful music playlist playing across the park is beyond me, tunes such as the coronation Street then tune is just odd.

In other news Atmosfear looks no where near ready to open any time soon, it’s currently being held up, and the platform above it also has scaffolding on it.
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Lisebergbanan has had a bit of a makeover this year, but it’s mainly just a repaint of the station. It’s got new trains, but I can’t actually tell any different with them, it was also only running one train all weekend, which meant whilst every other ride was pretty much walk on, that constantly had a 20+ min queue.
 
They’ve had all winter to sort this out and they open with rides still under maintenance and limited capacity... if this was Merlin or Blackpool there would be hell to pay.

Sad to see Andreas go, if it’s true. I wonder whether his successor will continue with the established trend of development. Also, if it is true, does it not sound like something of a step backwards?
 
venny said:
They’ve had all winter to sort this out and they open with rides still under maintenance and limited capacity... if this was Merlin or Blackpool there would be hell to pay.

Sad to see Andreas go, if it’s true. I wonder whether his successor will continue with the established trend of development. Also, if it is true, does it not sound like something of a step backwards?
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We shall see how long it takes, as all four Merlin UK parks have still got a ride each which is yet to open for the 2019 season, and we are well over a month in to the season.

Also sad to see him go, but I guess we don’t know who will replace him yet. Hopefully another geek!
 
venny said:
They’ve had all winter to sort this out and they open with rides still under maintenance and limited capacity... if this was Merlin or Blackpool there would be hell to pay.

Sad to see Andreas go, if it’s true. I wonder whether his successor will continue with the established trend of development. Also, if it is true, does it not sound like something of a step backwards?
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I have been at Liseberg the past couple of days and they weren’t at all on limited capacity, the park was extremely quiet - I’ve genuinely never seen a park so dead. I didn’t queue once and there were many, many times I had a ride to myself. For example on Helix they were just putting trains on/off as and when required but it was always a minimum of 2. In fact when it was on 3 it was just stacking for no reason.

Regarding Atmosfear, I believe something came up last minute.

On a side note, it really is a beautiful, spotless park and yet again just highlighted to me what a dump the Merlin parks are.

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Seatbelts really are pointless. I found you can have them as loose as possible and the staff aren’t bothered, they literally just look to see that it’s clipped on and that’s it, they don’t physically check the seatbelt.

Then when you pull restraint down just make sure seatbelt is above restraint and it won’t dig in to you. And makes no difference to the ride at all.

But it does slow operations down as they do have to check the belts first before the restraints get locked.
 
I’ve heard Liseberg trying to explain the reasons for the seatbelts and I have to say their explanation was rather poor. They’re clearly there for a reason, but even in their own explanation it wasn’t clear whether they were required due to customer demand or a new school of thought on whether the current safety systems were adequate.

From what I know, I have to say, whilst safety is of course critical, I don’t follow either explanation.

If it is a result of customer demand, it is likely catering to a vocal minority. Liseberg should be leading and educating their customers, not cow-towing to those vocal few who will always complain they don’t feel secure enough, no matter how many restraining devices you use. I’m sure we’ve all sat next to at least one of these “types”, who ask the ride attendant to double check everything and then tell them how to do their job despite being entirely ignorant to the functioning of the ride. By installing the belts, Liseberg have tacitly accepted this kind of concern as merited, which is weak.

If it is because of his new school of thought on the adequacy of failsafes, I have to ask, how far do you take it? If a double failsafe isn’t enough, then who’s to say a triple failsafe is? Why not have two seatbelts as a quadruple failsafe? And let’s face it, if the main restraints fail, is that seatbelt really going to hold everyone in their seat? No. If you want to remove all risk, don’t ride.

Liseberg need to be more pragmatic with this and lead their customers and the industry. They appear to de doing neither. Poor show I say.
 
The likelihood is that something happened involving a guest and the seatbelts are a response to ensure that the park don't get screwed over by their respective HSE...

The amount of unreported incidents at parks would probably shock some...
 
Agree it's disappointing from Liseberg, especially to add it a few years after opening.
Benzin said:
The likelihood is that something happened involving a guest and the seatbelts are a response to ensure that the park don't get screwed over by their respective HSE...

The amount of unreported incidents at parks would probably shock some...
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Yep. I've seen an internal monthly Merlin H&S incident summary, probably not wise for me to share the details but if the Daily Mail saw it there would be carnage.
 
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Sorry if this seems a bit random, but I thought this would be the relevant place to post it. I was just going to ask, for those who've ridden both; what is it about Helix that makes it so much better than Icon? Only asking because Icon looks more dynamic and airtime-based from POVs, whereas Helix looks more inversion-based, and I thought a lot of enthusiasts tended to prefer airtime?
 
I'm not one for comparing rides in any real detail, but for me Helix's location is absolutely astonishing. Probably fair to say it's a more interesting ride because of it.

Icon does a fair bit of meandering. I didn't even ride it last time I went to the park.
 
Matt N said:
Sorry if this seems a bit random, but I thought this would be the relevant place to post it. I was just going to ask, for those who've ridden both; what is it about Helix that makes it so much better than Icon? Only asking because Icon looks more dynamic and airtime-based from POVs, whereas Helix looks more inversion-based, and I thought a lot of enthusiasts tended to prefer airtime?
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Helix has better air time from one single hill on the second half of the layout than Icon manages to muster through its entire track.

You only need to look at the two to know why Helix is better. It has better launches. It has better inversions. It has a better sound track. Helix's pace flows rather than meanders to its end unlike Icon.

Oh, and the view from the station sat on the front row at night is sublime.

[/desperately clinging onto the fact that Helix has less than a month at my number one spot]
 
Matt N said:
Sorry if this seems a bit random, but I thought this would be the relevant place to post it. I was just going to ask, for those who've ridden both; what is it about Helix that makes it so much better than Icon? Only asking because Icon looks more dynamic and airtime-based from POVs, whereas Helix looks more inversion-based, and I thought a lot of enthusiasts tended to prefer airtime?
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It's built on a hill, over another coaster. It's absolutely insane how it was even built, let alone what the ride is like.
 
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