queenofspeed
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
So does this project rule out any family development projectness that year then?
So does this project rule out any family development projectness that year then?
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josht
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I wouldn't expect the lodge development to have any effects upon the parks budget, I would imigion Alton towers/merlin would want as much development going as possible (which is the long term development plan) towers need to do as much as they can to keep them going in the right direction and not start suffering and let the resort to become to bad to save the magic it had
I wouldn't expect the lodge development to have any effects upon the parks budget, I would imigion Alton towers/merlin would want as much development going as possible (which is the long term development plan) towers need to do as much as they can to keep them going in the right direction and not start suffering and let the resort to become to bad to save the magic it had
Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I think cost wise, it's probably somewhere around the £20-25million mark, considerably cheaper than a physical hotel (Splash Landings cost £40m 10 years ago!).
With Merlin combining the resort and park operations together under the Merlin Theme Park Resorts umbrella, it's difficult to say if would impact expansion on the park or not. However, it's going to fall during medium/low investment years anyway so on park development was never going to be off the scale in 2014 and 2015.
I think cost wise, it's probably somewhere around the £20-25million mark, considerably cheaper than a physical hotel (Splash Landings cost £40m 10 years ago!).
With Merlin combining the resort and park operations together under the Merlin Theme Park Resorts umbrella, it's difficult to say if would impact expansion on the park or not. However, it's going to fall during medium/low investment years anyway so on park development was never going to be off the scale in 2014 and 2015.
djtruefitt
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I think they will do something quite big, because then they can promote the lodges and the new attractions.
What opened the year ATH and Splash opened?
I think they will do something quite big, because then they can promote the lodges and the new attractions.
What opened the year ATH and Splash opened?
D
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Surprised AT don't have some form of tree top adventure style course. Can see that in the pipeline...
Surprised AT don't have some form of tree top adventure style course. Can see that in the pipeline...
James
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
You missed one one or two things.
1996 (ATH Opened) - Theme Park Additions
- Storybook Land
- Squirrel Nutty (£3 million investment)
Petter Rabbit was not introduced to the park in 1996. It was added in 1994.
2003 (SLH Opened) - Theme Park Additions
- Ribena Berry Bish Bash (Now just known as Berry Bish Bash, as the sponsorship ended in '06)
- New Tweenies Show in Cred Street Theatre (replaced Barney's show)
Looking at how things have worked in the past I doubt the Lodges development will have that much of an impact on theme park development. A small to medium investment on park is certain to happen. The rumoured re-theme/possible merge of the children's areas on the park (Adventure Land, Storybook Land, Farmyard) seems highly likely.
2014 will certainly be a very family orientated year.
You missed one one or two things.
1996 (ATH Opened) - Theme Park Additions
- Storybook Land
- Squirrel Nutty (£3 million investment)
Petter Rabbit was not introduced to the park in 1996. It was added in 1994.
2003 (SLH Opened) - Theme Park Additions
- Ribena Berry Bish Bash (Now just known as Berry Bish Bash, as the sponsorship ended in '06)
- New Tweenies Show in Cred Street Theatre (replaced Barney's show)
Looking at how things have worked in the past I doubt the Lodges development will have that much of an impact on theme park development. A small to medium investment on park is certain to happen. The rumoured re-theme/possible merge of the children's areas on the park (Adventure Land, Storybook Land, Farmyard) seems highly likely.
2014 will certainly be a very family orientated year.
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Out of interest.. Why was Squirrel Nutty so expensive for what it is!
Out of interest.. Why was Squirrel Nutty so expensive for what it is!
James
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
The £3 million figure I got from TowersNerd, just incase anyone was wondering where I plucked it from.
It's not really that much. But it does put into perspective that a resort investment does not necessarily affect theme park investments. I certainly expect a solid family addition to the theme park, most likely the new area that has been rumoured for quite some time now.
The £3 million figure I got from TowersNerd, just incase anyone was wondering where I plucked it from.
It's not really that much. But it does put into perspective that a resort investment does not necessarily affect theme park investments. I certainly expect a solid family addition to the theme park, most likely the new area that has been rumoured for quite some time now.
Sazzle
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Just in case you guys hadn't spotted it, there is a page dedicated to this development on the TowersStreet main site, which condenses all the key information.
I've only just managed to look at this action group, and it would appear some of their objections are actually founded from a worry about noise. Not necessarily about the residents being disturbed by guests in the development, but rather guests being disturbed by the JCB testing facility adjacent to the site.. in the sense they don't want JCB's land use to be at all restricted.
From the looks of the letter, apparently there was an application to build a similar development with 'chalets' back in 1986, for which concerns were raised at the time.
Also, they're a bit cheesed off with an apparent lack of communication between Towers and locals:
Do they mean the LTDP we're aware of?
The public consultation for the Lodge Development isn't due until February 5th 2013 according to the letter of objection, so I guess we have to wait until then to find out whether or not they'll be getting this. I really hope so, as its a charming little development and a much needed boost for budget accommodation.
Just in case you guys hadn't spotted it, there is a page dedicated to this development on the TowersStreet main site, which condenses all the key information
.I've only just managed to look at this action group, and it would appear some of their objections are actually founded from a worry about noise. Not necessarily about the residents being disturbed by guests in the development, but rather guests being disturbed by the JCB testing facility adjacent to the site.. in the sense they don't want JCB's land use to be at all restricted.
From the looks of the letter, apparently there was an application to build a similar development with 'chalets' back in 1986, for which concerns were raised at the time.
Also, they're a bit cheesed off with an apparent lack of communication between Towers and locals:
Whiston Action Group said:
Do they mean the LTDP we're aware of?
The public consultation for the Lodge Development isn't due until February 5th 2013 according to the letter of objection, so I guess we have to wait until then to find out whether or not they'll be getting this. I really hope so, as its a charming little development and a much needed boost for budget accommodation.
siralgenon
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Budget accomodation? I have a feeling the lodges will cost a lot more than the hotels. In a hotel you have one room built into the hotel. Here you have your own individual lodge!
Sazzle said:
Budget accomodation? I have a feeling the lodges will cost a lot more than the hotels. In a hotel you have one room built into the hotel. Here you have your own individual lodge!
Rob
TS Team
Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
It will be interesting to see what happens to pricing with these and the hotels. I can't see the lodges as being a budget option, they look too nice and spacious for that. What I think will happen is that the prices of rooms in Splash and ATH will fall due to a higher capacity on Resort, so the hotels become more affordable. I really have no idea how they will decide to price these lodges.
It will be interesting to see what happens to pricing with these and the hotels. I can't see the lodges as being a budget option, they look too nice and spacious for that. What I think will happen is that the prices of rooms in Splash and ATH will fall due to a higher capacity on Resort, so the hotels become more affordable. I really have no idea how they will decide to price these lodges.
Sazzle
TS Administrator
Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Well if the new accommodation isn't marketed as budget, then I'd like to see the hotel prices come down! I can't imagine full capacity will be reached if the prices remain at their current levels across the board.
I've never stayed in a Center Parcs, but I would think they have a much wider variety of activities, eateries and leisure facilities available? Anyway, just out of interest, I've looked up a Friday to Monday (3 nights) stay at Sherwood Forest, beginning on 5th July 2013. Its showing me availability for a two bed villa and is priced at £419. Amenities include:
List of on-site eateries etc
List of on-site activities
Now I know Towers have this amazing theme park (right?), a (small) spa and a waterpark, but what can they offer in terms of evening entertainment, variety of places to eat, activities outside of the park/waterpark/spa?
In essence I guess what I'm digging at, is that a weekend stay at Center Parcs in similar accommodation with a lot more to offer re: overall package, is quite cheap as it is. Towers surely can't justifiably price these new lodges/holes/huts any higher than this?
Well if the new accommodation isn't marketed as budget, then I'd like to see the hotel prices come down! I can't imagine full capacity will be reached if the prices remain at their current levels across the board.
I've never stayed in a Center Parcs, but I would think they have a much wider variety of activities, eateries and leisure facilities available? Anyway, just out of interest, I've looked up a Friday to Monday (3 nights) stay at Sherwood Forest, beginning on 5th July 2013. Its showing me availability for a two bed villa and is priced at £419. Amenities include:
Center Parcs said:
List of on-site eateries etc
List of on-site activities
Now I know Towers have this amazing theme park (right?), a (small) spa and a waterpark, but what can they offer in terms of evening entertainment, variety of places to eat, activities outside of the park/waterpark/spa?
In essence I guess what I'm digging at, is that a weekend stay at Center Parcs in similar accommodation with a lot more to offer re: overall package, is quite cheap as it is. Towers surely can't justifiably price these new lodges/holes/huts any higher than this?
Rob
TS Team
Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
After seeing how much Thorpe are charging to stay in a shipping container, then I wouldn't put it past Towers!
I'm really not overly sure how they will price them. We know they won't be overly budget as if that was the plan they would not be given permission to build them due to it taking trade away from cheaper B&B options in the surrounding area. But then the with the lodges only having basic amenities it may be hard for them to fully justify a premium price.
Sazzle said:
After seeing how much Thorpe are charging to stay in a shipping container, then I wouldn't put it past Towers!
I'm really not overly sure how they will price them. We know they won't be overly budget as if that was the plan they would not be given permission to build them due to it taking trade away from cheaper B&B options in the surrounding area. But then the with the lodges only having basic amenities it may be hard for them to fully justify a premium price.
