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Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges (Cancelled)
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josht
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
It would be great to see them the cheaper accomadation on park but knowing merlin after thorpes shipping containers and they are new I would think they would be between £50 and £75 per person hopefully not though
It would be great to see them the cheaper accomadation on park but knowing merlin after thorpes shipping containers and they are new I would think they would be between £50 and £75 per person hopefully not though
CoasterCrazyChris
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
There's not a cat in hells chance they will be cheaper than the hotels.
The hotel rooms are little more than a glorified Travelodge barely bigger than a shoebox and with no self catering option at all. These will be proper standalone units with various living spaces inside all in a fully themed environment.
You need your head testing if you think either existing hotel is anywhere near "luxury". They are basic 3* with theming stuck on top.
£200 a night easily in off peak for the standard lodges.
There's not a cat in hells chance they will be cheaper than the hotels.
The hotel rooms are little more than a glorified Travelodge barely bigger than a shoebox and with no self catering option at all. These will be proper standalone units with various living spaces inside all in a fully themed environment.
You need your head testing if you think either existing hotel is anywhere near "luxury". They are basic 3* with theming stuck on top.
£200 a night easily in off peak for the standard lodges.
CoasterCrazyChris
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I am talking about actual substance - not theming and decoration.
There are NO free facilities included in the price. The bathrooms in ATH are below the standard of even the most budget accommodation and the rooms are about the same size too.
I fail to see how the hotel rooms could possibly be better than the lodges.
Rob said:CoasterCrazyChris said:
No more than a glorified Travelodge? That's rubbish, the hotels at Towers are lovely. And the rooms compare favourably with rooms I have stayed in at both Disney and EP.
I am talking about actual substance - not theming and decoration.
There are NO free facilities included in the price. The bathrooms in ATH are below the standard of even the most budget accommodation and the rooms are about the same size too.
I fail to see how the hotel rooms could possibly be better than the lodges.
CupCakeMonster
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I'm sorry but the Lodges will surely be more expensive than the Hotels, just like buying a detached house is more expensive than a semi-detached or a terrace house. You pay for the isolation from everybody else. Also, if there are only 5 holes (which I don't think are very widely spread) you pay for the individuality of the holes.
I'm sorry but the Lodges will surely be more expensive than the Hotels, just like buying a detached house is more expensive than a semi-detached or a terrace house. You pay for the isolation from everybody else. Also, if there are only 5 holes (which I don't think are very widely spread) you pay for the individuality of the holes.
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Maybe I am missing the point of the lodges... I just assumed due to their nature and comparing with similar developments abroad that these will be slightly cheaper than the hotels.
We'll find out in 2014, I guess.
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Maybe I am missing the point of the lodges... I just assumed due to their nature and comparing with similar developments abroad that these will be slightly cheaper than the hotels.
We'll find out in 2014, I guess.
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Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I expect they will be priced similarly to the hotels. I can't imagine Alton Towers offering them as a cheaper alternative to the hotels. The likes of Center Parcs and other forest lodge accommodation don't come cheap (unless they are off peak) and I imagine they will market them as a higher end version of this (albeit there will be no similar facilities and activities to offer).
I expect they will be priced similarly to the hotels. I can't imagine Alton Towers offering them as a cheaper alternative to the hotels. The likes of Center Parcs and other forest lodge accommodation don't come cheap (unless they are off peak) and I imagine they will market them as a higher end version of this (albeit there will be no similar facilities and activities to offer).
CupCakeMonster
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
If you mean the camping at Europa, I can see the similarities, but at EP they are meant to be pure basics, with a bit of luxury, as you are on a camp site. This is going to be a holiday village sort of thing, they are designed to be more luxurious, and less basic and it's not meant to be a camp site.
AstroDan said:
If you mean the camping at Europa, I can see the similarities, but at EP they are meant to be pure basics, with a bit of luxury, as you are on a camp site. This is going to be a holiday village sort of thing, they are designed to be more luxurious, and less basic and it's not meant to be a camp site.
AstroDan
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I'm not referring to those. I'm referring to self catered such as Efteling Bosrijk, which is priced under their hotel. By no means budget, but to me these look more basic than the hotels.
I regard these as one up on Heide Park's holiday camp.
If these are more than the hotels I will be very disappointed.
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I'm not referring to those. I'm referring to self catered such as Efteling Bosrijk, which is priced under their hotel. By no means budget, but to me these look more basic than the hotels.
I regard these as one up on Heide Park's holiday camp.
If these are more than the hotels I will be very disappointed.
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Saz but you have to pay extra for the activities apart from the Subtropical Swimming Paradise, and the activities can be quite expensive, getting into Sherwood's version of the spa is way more than Towers. I know this site very well after going numerous times throughout my life as well as my parents knowing the UK Operations Director. Merlin and Center Parcs are both funded by Blackstone, Center Parcs are amazing places but the Villas that haven't been refurbed yet are very 80's/90's and they are leaving the cheapest to last. I have been to 3 out of the four sites in the UK, with Longleat the only one I have not stayed at. I like the Windfell Forest sites accommodation the best as it wasn't actually built by Center Parcs it was built by Oasis, the previous owners, they are lovely log cabins built to a very high standard and aren't the typical Center Parcs concrete ones. I agree Towers do need more activities but what though? It's a different market to Center Parcs at the end of the day and Blackstone won't want to invest in basically making Towers a Center Parcs with a theme park it doesn't make business sense.
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Saz but you have to pay extra for the activities apart from the Subtropical Swimming Paradise, and the activities can be quite expensive, getting into Sherwood's version of the spa is way more than Towers. I know this site very well after going numerous times throughout my life as well as my parents knowing the UK Operations Director. Merlin and Center Parcs are both funded by Blackstone, Center Parcs are amazing places but the Villas that haven't been refurbed yet are very 80's/90's and they are leaving the cheapest to last. I have been to 3 out of the four sites in the UK, with Longleat the only one I have not stayed at. I like the Windfell Forest sites accommodation the best as it wasn't actually built by Center Parcs it was built by Oasis, the previous owners, they are lovely log cabins built to a very high standard and aren't the typical Center Parcs concrete ones. I agree Towers do need more activities but what though? It's a different market to Center Parcs at the end of the day and Blackstone won't want to invest in basically making Towers a Center Parcs with a theme park it doesn't make business sense.
Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Just a point though, for resort guests isn't Alton Towers very much like Center Parcs in that way? The hotel is sold B&B only for the majority of the year meaning guests have to buy tickets to what they want to visit, so the theme park, the Spa, Extraordianary Golf and also Cariba Creek.
Natalie said:
Just a point though, for resort guests isn't Alton Towers very much like Center Parcs in that way? The hotel is sold B&B only for the majority of the year meaning guests have to buy tickets to what they want to visit, so the theme park, the Spa, Extraordianary Golf and also Cariba Creek.
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Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I would have thought that these lodges may be priced in a more 'Center Parcs' kind of way than as a budget option. Or at least budget compared to the hotels... I think that these will be more expensive and the increased capacity will push hotel prices down a tad.
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I would have thought that these lodges may be priced in a more 'Center Parcs' kind of way than as a budget option. Or at least budget compared to the hotels... I think that these will be more expensive and the increased capacity will push hotel prices down a tad.
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Jordan
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
I expect they will be priced similarly to the hotels for their first few months, and how pricing adjusts beyond that will be entirely dependent on their performance.
I can't see the hotel prices falling at all, unless for some reason people start abandoning the hotel in droves for the resort village.
It really wouldn't surprise me if the resort village was closed during its first closed season (apart from Christmas).
I expect they will be priced similarly to the hotels for their first few months, and how pricing adjusts beyond that will be entirely dependent on their performance.
I can't see the hotel prices falling at all, unless for some reason people start abandoning the hotel in droves for the resort village.
It really wouldn't surprise me if the resort village was closed during its first closed season (apart from Christmas).
Dave
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Re: Major New Accommodation in 2014 - Themed Lodges
Prices should fall slightly as UK hotel prices follow an occupancy pricing model and Towers is the same. The reason the hotels are more expensive now is because their occupancy rates are higher than they used to be and room occupancy is more important than a high profit margin per room as hotels tend to make their profit on extra services.
Hopefully by increasing capacity occupancy % will drop and so will the price, at least for a few seasons.
Prices should fall slightly as UK hotel prices follow an occupancy pricing model and Towers is the same. The reason the hotels are more expensive now is because their occupancy rates are higher than they used to be and room occupancy is more important than a high profit margin per room as hotels tend to make their profit on extra services.
Hopefully by increasing capacity occupancy % will drop and so will the price, at least for a few seasons.
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