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Russia vs NATO
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Conscription is unlikely straight way but could be possible if the UK was attacked in the way Ukraine has, however we are far better equipped than Ukraine to thwart an invasion like that and could defend ourselves.
This does have a chance to escalate into a much bigger conflict though, Putin is a bully and will keep pushing until the west push back properly.
Sanctions won’t really bother him as he only understands fist unfortunately.
My worry is that he will miscalculate in the next couple of weeks and “accidentally” hit a NATO target, NATO will then be compelled to defend itself and strike back, that’s when it will get interesting.
This does have a chance to escalate into a much bigger conflict though, Putin is a bully and will keep pushing until the west push back properly.
Sanctions won’t really bother him as he only understands fist unfortunately.
My worry is that he will miscalculate in the next couple of weeks and “accidentally” hit a NATO target, NATO will then be compelled to defend itself and strike back, that’s when it will get interesting.
Matt N
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I did wonder if people with learning disabilities like autism might be considered too vulnerable to fight in the army in some cases. I did actually have a look at the army website, though, and it says that there's nothing that would be an instant no in an application, although there was a big list of conditions that would decrease your chance of being admitted. They apparently do a case-by-case assessment on anyone who signs up to the army to determine their physical & mental capability, though, so I did wonder if even in the event that conscription came in and I was forced to apply, certain people similar to myself wouldn't pass the assessment.
Also, with regard to your "all types" comment at the end; does that mean that women would likely be conscripted as well as men if such a law was introduced, unlike in WW2 and WW1? Or do you think it would still only be men who'd get conscripted?
God, I'm scared... I hope we never get to a point where conscription is bought in, as if I'm being honest, I'm really not keen on joining the armed forces... I'd be happy to help in some other, non fighting-based way if the need for me to help ever arose in a war situation, but the prospect of actually being forced to join the army and fight terrifies me.
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The army wouldn't accept people with autism. and no it's not about discrimination, they don't accept people with sight disabilities either. They don't really accept anyone with any permenant disabilities, I believe it's the same with all the forces.
If men were conscripted women would also be conscripted and they are now able to serve in all positions in the armed forces.
If men were conscripted women would also be conscripted and they are now able to serve in all positions in the armed forces.
The armed forces do accept people with autism, it just depends on your individual needs...the answer is "sometimes".
The other forces recruit in a similar manner.
Matt...the chances of you being conscripted are about the same as me getting off with my favourite bit of totty in Crevettes...pretty much zero.
The chances of anyone being conscripted in this country are pretty much zero.
The other forces recruit in a similar manner.
Matt...the chances of you being conscripted are about the same as me getting off with my favourite bit of totty in Crevettes...pretty much zero.
The chances of anyone being conscripted in this country are pretty much zero.
Yes @rob666 you are correct however as it's a case by case basis we can be almost certain that if conscription was introduced (very unlikely) autistic people wouldn't be forced to join, they'd be exempt (similar to the mask exemption policy - they can if they feel comfortable). I on the other hand definitely wouldn't be accepted due to my poor vision however in a world war scenario I'd want to do something to help and would find some way of being useful.
I think when it comes to conscription they don’t really care about disability at that point, conscription is a last resort and in modern wars the chances are more or less zero of been conscripted in this country unless the country was under invasion which is very very unlikely as we have a lovely moat around us so have no land borders making it almost impossible.
If Hitler didn’t fancy trying it then it’s so unlikely that any current army will fancy their chances either.
If Hitler didn’t fancy trying it then it’s so unlikely that any current army will fancy their chances either.
pluk
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Mate, this is not healthy.
No one has been conscripted. There's no credible indication anyone will be conscripted. You can't influence these things in any case, so why worry? Worrying about how to get out of something noone is trying to get you to do is nuts. Please find something else to put your time and energy in to for your own sake!
I don’t think there will be any conscription. If the west got in to a military confrontation with the west it would probably be like the Cuban missile crisis. Put it this way, if Russian troops came face to face with NATO they would surrender. Most of the Russian troops are young kids, conscripted in, who don’t want to fight and get about £17 a month.
Troops in NATO are better because they want to fight, they are well trained, well equipped, and as you can see from the impact the weapons we have sent them are doing well at taking out the Russian military. Imagine if we were able to get the F-35, F-16, F-15, Typhoons and Apache gunships up in the air over Ukraine.
So I wrapping I worry about conscription. The way it’s going someone inside the Kremlin might kill off Putin. There are more voices appearing talking of disapproval high up in the ranks and this war is a Kremlin decision only.
Troops in NATO are better because they want to fight, they are well trained, well equipped, and as you can see from the impact the weapons we have sent them are doing well at taking out the Russian military. Imagine if we were able to get the F-35, F-16, F-15, Typhoons and Apache gunships up in the air over Ukraine.
So I wrapping I worry about conscription. The way it’s going someone inside the Kremlin might kill off Putin. There are more voices appearing talking of disapproval high up in the ranks and this war is a Kremlin decision only.
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Today, I have tried not looking at the news as much, and it has helped. I feel a lot less worried than I did yesterday; having slept on the issue (and surprisingly, I actually slept really well!) and talked to some more people, I’m willing to accept that I possibly worried irrationally.
I don’t know why I worry so much. Perhaps it’s because I read a fair amount of news in order to try and keep abreast of current events, perhaps it’s because I’m autistic (I’ve often heard it said that liking control, whether overtly or less obviously, is a common autistic trait, so perhaps the fact that I can’t do anything to stop these events or help this situation is subliminally stressing me out; I’d possibly say the same about the worse parts of COVID, as well, as the initial weeks and months of that crisis were pretty nerve-racking for me). I don’t really know.
Thanks @JAperson; I appreciate the support. I think I am currently starting to feel a bit better about the whole thing now, to be honest.
Wow, really? I’d have thought Putin’s government would be on board with this; surely the Russian equivalent of the House of Commons would have forbidden it, if not?
But they clearly aren’t on board with it if something quite so extreme as assassinating Putin is even being contemplated…
Putin's equivalent of the house of commons is completed controlled by him, he rigs the elections, all the 'parties' support Putin, they have to otherwise they go 'missing'. Russia isn't actually democratic at all. I think there are parts of the top Russian military commanders who are against this and if they can gain enough support they'll get rid of him, they've done it before during the last days of the soviet union (although that ultimately failed and was for very different reasons). Putin is powerful and has got a good grip on power however one of his generals supports by a few of Putin's ministers would likely be able to take him out with the backing of the Russian military who really didn't want this war for reasons @GaryH mentioned.
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I do wonder if that's how it might pan out. An uprising in Russia when the sanctions bite and ordinary citizens start rebelling, or a military coup when his Generals realise he's pushing through something that he can't win.
He might get away with Ukraine in the short term but taking on NATO? I'm not convinced that will happen. Even if Russia take Ukraine I'm not convinced they'll hold it in the long term.
He might get away with Ukraine in the short term but taking on NATO? I'm not convinced that will happen. Even if Russia take Ukraine I'm not convinced they'll hold it in the long term.
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Yes I think you have summed it up their @Alsty Putin can hold on for now due to him having such a good grip on power (particularly the media). He however cannot hide the effects of sanctions for very long, the civilians will start to dislike him and then the military will follow suite, they'll force him out somehow. I imagine the majority of Russian citizens don't want a war and when they inevitably release that's what's going on they will no longer support him. The other issue Putin will face in Ukraine is that as there will likely be a well armed Ukrainian resistance (which apparently the UK ministry of defence is prepared to support) Russian soldiers will keep dying even when the war is percieved as over. The Russian military won't stand for it for long, they don't want to loose people just like everyone else.
Tom
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He's a demented madman who rules by fear and doesn't know when he's endangering his own hold on power by going too far. Remind you of anyone minus the little black tash? It is only a matter of time before he is backstabbed metaphorically or literally and falls one way or another. Let's just hope it is relatively soon.
You have to feel for Ukraine, they had one of the largest arsenal’s of nukes and were persuaded to give them up on the promise they would never be invaded.
I don’t believe Russia are all that militarily either, their annual spend on defence is more or less the same as the UK but they have far more boots on the ground so technically they must be using old weapon systems, remember the clapped out aircraft carrier passing through the English Channel a year or two back?
Compare the last couple of nights in Kyiv to shock and awe in Baghdad when the US and UK hit Iraq those first couple of nights, not even comparable.
If Russia didn’t have nukes that could potentially hit the US Uncle Sam wouldn’t think twice about attacking Russia.
I don’t believe Russia are all that militarily either, their annual spend on defence is more or less the same as the UK but they have far more boots on the ground so technically they must be using old weapon systems, remember the clapped out aircraft carrier passing through the English Channel a year or two back?
Compare the last couple of nights in Kyiv to shock and awe in Baghdad when the US and UK hit Iraq those first couple of nights, not even comparable.
If Russia didn’t have nukes that could potentially hit the US Uncle Sam wouldn’t think twice about attacking Russia.
Tom
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I would say a lot of their equipment is 30+ years old. A complete occupation will take the majority of their armed forces I would say. I am not sure that simply putting in a puppet government would be effective given the likely huge resistance from the population. Putin has either deludedly bitten off way more than he can chew, or he is simply on a personal kamikaze mission of self-destruction.
Also, while I'd of course never normally of recommend the Daily Express for anything, they have proven excellent value since this all kicked off. They appear to be recycling their templates for attacks on Nicola Sturgeon/the SNP/EU and are turning them on Putin as a object of ridicule.
Also, while I'd of course never normally of recommend the Daily Express for anything, they have proven excellent value since this all kicked off. They appear to be recycling their templates for attacks on Nicola Sturgeon/the SNP/EU and are turning them on Putin as a object of ridicule.
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Big moves in the EU today and from some of Russia’s friends in the past whom are now speaking out against the invasion.
China abstaining the UN vote yesterday was huge. Germany changing its mind on supplying weapons to Ukraine. 27 countries and counting sending supplies to Ukraine. Practically 3/4 of the world are now standing up against Russia.
And tonight the EU has agreed to kick Russian backs out of the SWIFT payments system. Watch there be a massive rush on Monday of prime trying to get their money out of the banks.
I’ll be very surprised is someone doesn’t assassinate Putin very soon.
China abstaining the UN vote yesterday was huge. Germany changing its mind on supplying weapons to Ukraine. 27 countries and counting sending supplies to Ukraine. Practically 3/4 of the world are now standing up against Russia.
And tonight the EU has agreed to kick Russian backs out of the SWIFT payments system. Watch there be a massive rush on Monday of prime trying to get their money out of the banks.
I’ll be very surprised is someone doesn’t assassinate Putin very soon.