He has plenty to hit all the EU, the US and the U.K if he wants to. Seriously let’s not underestimate this mad man. He promised nuclear weapons if the west hindered Russia progress in Ukraine which we are doing. And we are destroying Russia with sanctions. We went for the nuclear option with SWIFT and I unfortunately think Putin is just, well, going for the nuclear option!
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Mate, I think you might be overreacting a tad, nobody wants a nuclear war not even Putin.
…. I hope you are right but Putin also said he didn’t want a war with Ukraine, that he wasn’t going to invade and that it was Western hysteria!
Tom
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Unfortunately nothing would come as a surprise now. He's on a demented path of self-destruction as per Hitler when he decided to fight a war on two fronts. His tactics would make no sense if they weren't coming from someone with a severe personality disorder and/or mental illness.
The problem with building a circle based on fear rather than loyalty is that it creates an atmosphere of paranoia on the leader's part, and a secret desire to end it all by at least some of those within said circle. As the leader's breakdown escalates, vultures begin to circle and simply wait for their moment to act.
The problem with building a circle based on fear rather than loyalty is that it creates an atmosphere of paranoia on the leader's part, and a secret desire to end it all by at least some of those within said circle. As the leader's breakdown escalates, vultures begin to circle and simply wait for their moment to act.
Mostly likely the moment to act to get rid of there leaders who's gone cuckoo is what tends to happen in these sorts of situations, then there's military rule for a bit and then sometimes it results in what some might call democracy (I.e Argentina) which is sort of democratic.
Tom
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I'm talking about people that are waiting to move against him, be it those in his political cabinet or the military.
I know your not asking my opinion however I'll give my view if thats ok:
I think Putin has pushed his own self destruct button. The military aren't going to be pleased because they are losing there guys in a war they were told would be easy. They've been mis sold. If you were in Putin's inner circle of politicians you'd be annoyed because he's gone over your head and hasn't communicated with you about it.
Putin has however always had a remarkably good grip on power so it's difficult to know if anyone will succeed as they'd almost certainly need the backing of the majority of the military, who's always been fairly loyal to Putin but likely won't be now for reasons I've already mentioned.
I'd say there's a good chance he will be deposed at some point, with whoever taking over quickly ending the war in Ukraine and trying to establish themselves, of course there's no saying whoever takes off it going to be any better, but we can hope.
John
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Hard to say what Putin's plan is at this point - is he trying to improve his hand in the upcoming negotiations (if they even go ahead), is he preparing to wipe Ukraine off the map by means of a nuclear strike or is he genuinely considering jumping from Ukraine to a simultaneous pre-emptive strike on basically every country in the west? I'm not about to make any predictions - I've started (but not finished) several posts in this topic and almost all of my predictions ended up being proven wildly inaccurate within about 24hrs.
That said, several countries seem to be calling Putin's bluff by announcing supplies of weapons to Ukraine, not something you can do whilst attempting to maintain plausible deniability around interfering. Combine that with what appears to be limited success for Putin's current approach on the ground and we could see him becoming even more erratic and dangerous over coming days.
That said, several countries seem to be calling Putin's bluff by announcing supplies of weapons to Ukraine, not something you can do whilst attempting to maintain plausible deniability around interfering. Combine that with what appears to be limited success for Putin's current approach on the ground and we could see him becoming even more erratic and dangerous over coming days.
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Putin is now unpredictable.
I do worry about Chernobyl being under his control. I would not put it pass him to generate a fake(hopefully) radiation scare, blamed on Ukraine defence forces. And use it to empty a chunk of Ukraine in that area for easy occupation.
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I do worry about Chernobyl being under his control. I would not put it pass him to generate a fake(hopefully) radiation scare, blamed on Ukraine defence forces. And use it to empty a chunk of Ukraine in that area for easy occupation.
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Worryingly, they did strike a nuclear waste storage facility... destroying the equipment that monitors for leaks!
Dave
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Chernobyl is already under Russian control, and radiation spikes in the area already seen.
Really want names for these analysts as all I saw was “Russia is definitely planning to invade. I think the only surprise was how quickly they went full scale into the country, a lot of analysts did think they would have used salami tactics which he didn’t do (probably because that would have been the sensible option from his perspective).
He might nuke Ukraine, It would be a stupid plan but he does seem to have gone full wacko now.
My thought on this statement about putting nuclear deterrent forces on high alert is it’s a stunt.
Firstly surely by their nature they are already on high alert otherwise they aren’t much of a deterrent, they need to be able to always be fired more or less straight away.
Secondly if you were going to do that why would you tell everyone?
Also I’m not sure China will be impressed with this kind of language, he might end up alienating just about his only friend.
I’d imagine even a small scale nuclear strike in Ukraine will bring about a much larger conflict, there is no chance that the rest of the world is just going to sit back and accept that, otherwise he will do it again to Finland or Sweden.
Firstly surely by their nature they are already on high alert otherwise they aren’t much of a deterrent, they need to be able to always be fired more or less straight away.
Secondly if you were going to do that why would you tell everyone?
Also I’m not sure China will be impressed with this kind of language, he might end up alienating just about his only friend.
I’d imagine even a small scale nuclear strike in Ukraine will bring about a much larger conflict, there is no chance that the rest of the world is just going to sit back and accept that, otherwise he will do it again to Finland or Sweden.
Dave
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He doesn’t always follow through with them, it seems that way if you have only watched closely for the last three months.
I think Ukraine is not going how he expected and I think he is wounded and that makes him dangerous, I think he would be hard pressed to get his generals to attack NATO but he might launch nukes at Ukraine.
James
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Given the reports of Ukraine and Russian undertaking talks today, and further restrictions by the west, today's announcement regarding nukes appears as more of a threat to perhaps coerce Ukraine to surrender, or the West to stept back.
Nukes are defintely an option if the threats today have no impact. It would certainely put NATO in a difficult position (if a part of Ukraine was nuked), and Russian risks a huge retaliation. Putin is fully unhinged at this point so it could go either way really.
Nukes are defintely an option if the threats today have no impact. It would certainely put NATO in a difficult position (if a part of Ukraine was nuked), and Russian risks a huge retaliation. Putin is fully unhinged at this point so it could go either way really.
According to RT Putin is in the mind set that what is the point of a world world Russia. Yes it’s a Russian propaganda channel I know but all day and night in the bread they have been saying how unstable Putin is - for him to raise the very concept of nuclear war just speed his mindset. The west is now going crazy with its sanctions and pushing him now and more into isolation. We need to be very careful here.
Oh he’s not failing as such it’s just not going as easy as planned. The Ukrainian military hasn’t just collapsed instead they’re fighting and fighting well. In time Russian can probably take wherever it wants in Ukraine but it may well struggle to hold it.