Secret Weapon 7 Discussion

[Martin]

It's only set them back one, two days, at this stage, they can claw that back easily. Plus it's not like they only do one thing at a time. Concrete may have been set back but progress will have been made elsewhere.

 

[Dar]

But what else can they do without concrete? Once the ground has been landscaped, they can't really do anything until the concrete is poured.

 

[Martin]

There's still steel work to be done, is there not?

 

[James]

They need concrete to get the majority of steelworks up.

All they can really do in the mean time is place more rebars and finish off putting in the concrete slabs. After that, well, they need concrete to build the station and track!

 

[delta79]

there is two ways to go.

wait till better weather or use shuttering and channels to keep the rain water away from the pore area.

Both takes time. The shuttering method does take a lot of planning, and can fail easily.

I feel sorry for the on site project manager, is it Mike Tubb?

 

[JB1985]

is this just a rumor about the concrete or fact?

 

[Alastair]

is this just a rumor about the concrete or fact?

It's obvious, just look at the ground at the back of the pit on the picture on the last page - there's no concrete there. That's where they were pouring a few days back.

 

[Equinox]

is this just a rumor about the concrete or fact?

It's obvious, just look at the ground at the back of the pit on the picture on the last page - there's no concrete there. That's where they were pouring a few days back.

It's obviously rubbish..... It's still there.

MMM CONCRETE PORN

It's just hard to see it under the squishy muddy stuff that's washed over the site.

 

[Jonathan]

I can't really see how the concrete would get covered in mud so quickly, so I'm more leaning towards the concrete being washed away, but the mud covering theory is still possible.

 

[James]

I can guarantee that it has been washed away.

 

[Equinox]

is this just a rumor about the concrete or fact?

It's obvious, just look at the ground at the back of the pit on the picture on the last page - there's no concrete there. That's where they were pouring a few days back.

It's obviously rubbish..... It's still there.

It's just hard to see it under the squishy muddy stuff that's washed over the site.

Lets be honest though mate, where has that concrete been washed away too? It can't have drained away anywhere and it's definitely not in the bottom of that pit mixed in with the mud.

It's gone no where and runmour is rubbish. If you look around the base of the footers to the left on the bottom photo you can still see concrete until the mud washes over it.

Compare these two photos and you'll see the water/concrete/ mud level is the same in both. The concrete has gone nowhere.

 

[Equinox]

I can guarantee that it has been washed away.

Proof?


Actual proof and not speculation.

 

[Ian]

With regards to the "world beating" tagline I'm still of the impression it's just a hint as to how rough the ride will turn out

On the subject of the concrete washing away after the first day of pouring several people contacted us and said that the concrete had gone. We also had a couple of team members on park the next morning who confirmed this. It really shouldn't have been much of a surprise really. There was a lot of rain that night! However, looking yesterday they seem to have gotten a few fresh slabs of concrete down on the floor. Towards the back where the station is there were a few patches of wet cement in the ground. No doubt forming the building foundations.

Yesterday it seemed the focus was placing the concrete panels into what framework they have up to form the retaining walls. They'd almost finished one of the faces by late afternoon. Hopefully they'll be able to get most of the beams in by next week and have a secure concrete pit ready to work with

 

[James]

All I can say is that I know 100% that the concrete was washed away.

If you don't believe me then you don't. Although I wouldn't post lies on here unless I knew for certain.

Edit: Ian explains the washed concrete saga above.

 

[JB1985]

The thing is concrete doesnt just wash away into thin air. Washed from where it should be into say a pile in the corner, maybe, but was completely away, no chance

 

[Prometheus]

I've worked with concrete in the rain, heavy rain; and it didn't even compromise it let alone wash it away. Im not saying anybody is making stuff up, merely theorising that the concrete may 'appear' to have dissapeared but is just hidden. Heavy rain could easily have made muddy water pool up in the hole. Mud settles over the top of the concrete and as the water evaporates off (and or drains away) it leaves the concrete covered with sediment. Seen it happen before.

A visual clue that this could have happened here is the height of the footers / rebar cages. Check out the pics of the rebar cages before the concrete pour. They look tall. After the concrete was poured the footers looked short, (the concrete effectively raised the ground level around the footers by a large amount). Now, the latest pics show footers the same short height as AFTER the concrete pour. If the concrete had been washed away the other night, the rebar cages would appear tall again. The mud has created an optical illusion and you need a reference point (i.e the footers) to make a guess on the height of the new ground level.

The contractor will try to avoid disturbing the concrete for a while as waterlogged concrete will take longer to set properly, if after a while they go back and test, finding the concrete is compromised they'll dig it up and repour from scratch. In the meantime, they will focus elsewhere on the site, such as the retaining walls.

Edit: Just to add that if the contractors anticipated bad weather, or decided that the hole was too waterlogged, they could have chosen to pour concrete with the ability to quick-set underwater. It's only a slight change to the standard mix as far as I'm aware.

 

[Krazycoaster]

I've worked with concrete in the rain, heavy rain; and it didn't even compromise it let alone wash it away. Im not saying anybody is making stuff up, merely theorising that the concrete may 'appear' to have dissapeared but is just hidden. Heavy rain could easily have made muddy water pool up in the hole. Mud settles over the top of the concrete and as the water evaporates off (and or drains away) it leaves the concrete covered with sediment. Seen it happen before.

A visual clue that this could have happened here is the height of the footers / rebar cages. Check out the pics of the rebar cages before the concrete pour. They look tall. After the concrete was poured the footers looked short, (the concrete effectively raised the ground level around the footers by a large amount). Now, the latest pics show footers the same short height as AFTER the concrete pour. If the concrete had been washed away the other night, the rebar cages would appear tall again. The mud has created an optical illusion and you need a reference point (i.e the footers) to make a guess on the height of the new ground level.

The contractor will try to avoid disturbing the concrete for a while as waterlogged concrete will take longer to set properly, if after a while they go back and test, finding the concrete is compromised they'll dig it up and repour from scratch. In the meantime, they will focus elsewhere on the site, such as the retaining walls.

Edit: Just to add that if the contractors anticipated bad weather, or decided that the hole was too waterlogged, they could have chosen to pour concrete with the ability to quick-set underwater. It's only a slight change to the standard mix as far as I'm aware.

You are correct. The concrete has not been washed away; it's simply been covered by wet mud from the rain

 

[Johno]

Anyone thinking Advocate would be a decent name?

 

[Krazycoaster]

Anyone thinking Advocate would be a decent name?

Sounds good but I doubt it will be the actual name. A few names I came up with are:
Killjoy
Correction

 

[Equinox]

I've worked with concrete in the rain, heavy rain; and it didn't even compromise it let alone wash it away. Im not saying anybody is making stuff up, merely theorising that the concrete may 'appear' to have dissapeared but is just hidden. Heavy rain could easily have made muddy water pool up in the hole. Mud settles over the top of the concrete and as the water evaporates off (and or drains away) it leaves the concrete covered with sediment. Seen it happen before.

A visual clue that this could have happened here is the height of the footers / rebar cages. Check out the pics of the rebar cages before the concrete pour. They look tall. After the concrete was poured the footers looked short, (the concrete effectively raised the ground level around the footers by a large amount). Now, the latest pics show footers the same short height as AFTER the concrete pour. If the concrete had been washed away the other night, the rebar cages would appear tall again. The mud has created an optical illusion and you need a reference point (i.e the footers) to make a guess on the height of the new ground level.

The contractor will try to avoid disturbing the concrete for a while as waterlogged concrete will take longer to set properly, if after a while they go back and test, finding the concrete is compromised they'll dig it up and repour from scratch. In the meantime, they will focus elsewhere on the site, such as the retaining walls.

Edit: Just to add that if the contractors anticipated bad weather, or decided that the hole was too waterlogged, they could have chosen to pour concrete with the ability to quick-set underwater. It's only a slight change to the standard mix as far as I'm aware.

You are correct. The concrete has not been washed away; it's simply been covered by wet mud from the rain

This is exactly what I've been saying since yesterday. The idea concrete could have been washed away is ridiculous.... Even the guys over on TT have made their U-turn on the matter