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Thatcher's dead

Blaze said:
Why should it matter how old she was? Becoming old and sick does not excuse her of the immeasurable harm she caused.

She caused a great deal of harm to many people, and those people have every right to show how they feel about her.

And you, who said all benefit receivers are would-be child killers, certainly can't take the moral high ground either.
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It was my post your quoting there but seem to be twisting and turning the words, naughty naughty.
Perhaps you could highlight where I said ALL benefit receivers were child killers, because if you can't you just lost all credibility in everything you say.

As has been pointed out not mourning her death is perfectly acceptable, but to openly celebrate it calls in to question someone's moral compass and mental state.
In all these so called pop stars case, we can blame it on the coke they've been sniffing for years but what's your excuse?
 
Is anyone else getting an odd sense of Déjà Vu?

I seem to remember a very similar topic back when Steve Jobs died ;)
 
I don't remember anyone actually being glad Steve Jobs died. But then, Jobs wasn't demon spawn sent from Hell to ruin our lives.
 
DiogoJ42 said:
I don't remember anyone actually being glad Steve Jobs died. But then, Jobs wasn't demon spawn sent from Hell to ruin our lives.
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You need to get yourself an Apple devise, you might disagree with that statement then!! :D
 
DiogoJ42 said:
I don't remember anyone actually being glad Steve Jobs died. But then, Jobs wasn't demon spawn sent from Hell to ruin our lives.
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I was moderately glad :)

However I have heard that the child labour camp which made the black polo neck tops he used to always wear has since gone bust since his departure.
 
Diogo had/has an Apple device I think. :p

Apple aren't all that bad, although after Steve Jobs died the company has fallen into gimmick land and gone against Steve Jobs words for their product developments (such as his famous words of 'we will never create an iPad Mini') - it's more of a money grabbing company now than it was before.

Unlike Apple though, the loss of Thatcher will have no massive effect on the running of the government.

I disagree with tax payer money being used for the funeral. It's disgusting to be honest.
 
If the funeral is just dumping the body off a boat, that's fine to charge tax payers money for. Though an over the top military gun salute, elaborate flowers and more decoration then any of us could afford and probably "we are the champions" playing. I would agree that's a disgusting way to spend tax money.

shouldn't the family pay for the funeral? I'm sure she has earned a fair amount over her life time. ;)
 
My understanding is the family is paying for the funeral, the tax payers pick up the tab for security and the military being there.
Same as Diana, and nobody got in a huff about that.

Like her or hate her she was a world leader who other leaders want to pay respects too, so the civilised country we are should show a little respect.
Our head of state is going so expect others to follow.
 
ChocolateStarfish said:
My understanding is the family is paying for the funeral, the tax payers pick up the tab for security and the military being there.
Same as Diana, and nobody got in a huff about that.

Like her or hate her she was a world leader who other leaders want to pay respects too, so the civilised country we are should show a little respect.
Our head of state is going so expect others to follow.
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Simple then. No security or military. Job done AND no money wasted.
 
To my knowledge, the family are only paying some of the £10 million it'll cost for the funeral, which is undisclosed, and will only be shown after the funeral. The rest is tax-payers money.
 
ChocolateStarfish said:
My understanding is the family is paying for the funeral, the tax payers pick up the tab for security and the military being there.
Same as Diana, and nobody got in a huff about that.
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Diana was nowhere near as divisive as Thatcher was. Simply compare the public's reaction to Diana's death, one of the largest outpourings of sympathy to a single person in living memory, to that of Thatcher - with respect coming only from the right wing. Everyone else is either celebrating of standing squarely in the middle - not wanting to dance on her grave, but believing her to be a horrible person nevertheless.

Like her or hate her she was a world leader who other leaders want to pay respects too, so the civilised country we are should show a little respect.
Our head of state is going so expect others to follow.
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This is Thatcher's views on gay people:

http://youtu.be/8VRRWuryb4k

I can't show anyone respect for those opinions, or indeed many of the opinions Thatcher held, especially her disregard for feminism. Some aspects of her were certainly admirable, but you can say that for anyone with a destructive influence.

And what do you mean by "our head of state is going so expect others to follow"? Please elaborate.
 
ChocolateStarfish said:
My understanding is the family is paying for the funeral, the tax payers pick up the tab for security and the military being there.
Same as Diana, and nobody got in a huff about that
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Oh yes, I remember fondly Diana claiming there was no such thing as society and detailing the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Maybe Maggie lost her voice before she could get "unless I've got a funeral to pay for" out at the end of that quote.

Apparently we'll find out just how much of taxpayers money went on this event, but we're still waiting for a report into our local MP's party in France so I wouldn't hold your breath.
 
And I remember Diana running the country for ten years. Doh sorry forgot she didn't.

The head of state (the queen) is attending so that obviously has implications for security. Not sure if Obama is coming but someone senior from the US will be there so the same applies.

I don't really care what her views were on gay or black or what colour the moon was to be honest, the fact is she was PM for 10 years and that entitles her to a decent funeral.
You don't like her don't watch but you shouldn't criticise those that do, or the fact that security is going to obviously paid for from the public purse.
It always is at these events and quite rightly always should.
 
Comparing Diana and Thatcher is just stupid. They are on completely different ends of the spectrum.
 
ChocolateStarfish said:
the fact is she was PM for 10 years and that entitles her to a decent funeral.
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So what if she was? Hitler was Fuhrer of Germany for 11 years. Kim Jong Il was leader of North Korea for 17 years. Were they entitled to decent funerals just because they were the leaders for over a decade? Just because she was PM for 11 years doesn't mean that she is entitled to a massive funeral that no one can complain about. If everyone loved Thatcher, then she would have deserved a massive funeral. But the fact of the matter is that a massive amount of taxpayers despise the women, so they have every right to be angry at her receiving a £10M funeral.
 
ChocolateStarfish said:
And I remember Diana running the country for ten years. Doh sorry forgot she didn't.
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You're the one who brought up Diana, so that's a weird thing to say.

I don't really care what her views were on gay or black or what colour the moon was to be honest
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YOU don't care, but I do - as do others. Her views on homosexuality were more than abhorrent - they did real cultural damage. Her support of apartheid in South Africa shouldn't be forgotten either.

, the fact is she was PM for 10 years and that entitles her to a decent funeral.
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Right - so long as WE don't pay for it. I have no problem with her family paying for it, but it shouldn't be funded by any tax money.

You don't like her don't watch but you shouldn't criticise those that do, or the fact that security is going to obviously paid for from the public purse.
It always is at these events and quite rightly always should.
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We live in a free society. Of course we should criticise things we disagree with, and the funeral of a public figure - especially one so divisive - is no exception to this. It's one thing to say people shouldn't be throwing parties, another thing entirely to wish to silence anyone who disagrees with Thatcher. She personified an entire political ideology, and her critics won't forget that just because she has died.

Again, I'm not for dancing on her grave. That doesn't mean she should be free from critisism.
 
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