Secret Weapon 7 Discussion

The thought a "half finished" ride is amusing to me.

I envisage it getting to a point in the track where it has those train buffers, and you have to get out and push it all the back round the track for the next people to have a go until they complete it

;D

And Craig you went too far!! You removed the SAM tank! ;D

I still think this may be the secret weapon!!

Seriously though, some comments I agree with removing - but some are in good humour, don't sanitise it too far. This is from someone with zero previous allegiance or bias (or even understanding of what happened lol!)

It's got an edge, good humour, and plenty of intelligence.

Anyway back on point here. Actually there is no excuse for not having it ready! They could have gotten cracking with the footings far earlier if indeed, and they are now behind, there is very little else to point the finger at but atrocious organisation (IF, they are behind).

It's isn't like they haven't built a coaster before is it? Honestly if that was my park, those footings would be complete and done ready for track by season end. Tell me, who running a park of this stature on here, would not have that kind of contingency in place?

Mise-en-place folks, mise-en-place!

I don't get the gain behind LSM lifts if I'm honest. On tall lifts I guess it makes sense, as they don't need to make long cables/chains, and so there's no faff to change them. But surely on this given the height a cable would suffice, and be more efficient? You still get the control you do with LSMs, and you can vary the speed too.

Just as I hoped Sam.

Although, I'm not sure if it would work without a change in the track. The radius looks too tight at the top, as does the first turn- although this could change, as the plans could be incorrect (not trying to start the argument up again).

Ian said:

I don't get the gain behind LSM lifts if I'm honest. On tall lifts I guess it makes sense, as they don't need to make long cables/chains, and so there's no faff to change them. But surely on this given the height a cable would suffice, and be more efficient?

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The benefits are the air-time on the crest of the the hill (although, again, I'm not sure how it'll work with the current plans) as well as a more intense first half. And if I've misunderstood, and you mean fast cable, then they don't quite go fast enough.

The dream would be a launch out of the station, and then trims, but I don't believe in the practicalities of this.

Although I won't believe it until I see the lift-hill in place with the fins down the middle of the track.

LSM's on the lift hill would help the rides pacing. The wait on SAW for the chain to engage seems to take an eternity.

The newer Eurofighters don't have the wait like Saw, unless I'm mistaken. The only reason the vertical lifts have it is so the shuttle can engage on a specific part of the chain, allowing it to travel verticle. However, if the first lift isn't verticle then surely there's no need for the same part, and a standard chain will suffice?

GaryH said:

Maybe bum prodders too lol!

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That would instantly make it TSTs favourite ride ever


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Sam said:

It's an outdoor thrill coaster. As long as the ride is running, then 95% of it is complete, let's be honest.

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I don't think anyone would find this acceptable at any other park, so this shouldn't be any different. What about the immersive experience that we are meant to get from theme park rides, especially rides that feature a story. I think it probably adds more than 5% to the experience really. If not, they may as well not bother with theming at all and save a whole lot of money!

Standard Eurofighters are pushed from behind with a special ... thingy ... that sticks up from the chain. So it has to be tucked out of the way for the car to roll over it, then wait while the crain rolls round and engages the back of the car.

I really can't see this system being used on SW7, though I honestly couldn't way what it will be.

If it turns out to be LSMs, surely there will still need to be some kind of anti-rollback mechanism? The radius of turn into the vertical lift is too tight to cope with a car falling back down.

CoasterCrazyChris said:

I dunno why people keep harping on about The Sanctuary, I bet the finished ride will have almost no relevance besides a few references. To be honest, they'd be pretty stupid to base an £18 million coaster on a halloween scare maze anyway, however good.

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People keep "harping" on about the Sanctuary because the maze is loosely based on SW7, therefore we can consider and discuss what the relationship might be. No-one has ever suggested SW7 is based on The Sanctuary so i have no idea where that point has come from.

I think the link between Sanctuary and SW7 will only be the Ministry of Joy and Marmalisation, that will be it. But that's just my point of view, however as the maze was inspired by the ride to some extent you can't completely ignore the Sanctuary when considering SW7.

Certainly not until Towers release something new about the ride.

RUST

You will get surface rust on a highly polished metal surface. Even if it was stored inside you would get that rust. Its nothing to worry about.

When most track is built it's all rusty before it has the primer and paint coats. B&M track in the plant usually all looks rust red when it's being made

DiogoJ42 said:

Standard Eurofighters are pushed from behind with a special ... thingy ... that sticks up from the chain. So it has to be tucked out of the way for the car to roll over it, then wait while the crain rolls round and engages the back of the car.

I really can't see this system being used on SW7, though I honestly couldn't way what it will be.

If it turns out to be LSMs, surely there will still need to be some kind of anti-rollback mechanism? The radius of turn into the vertical lift is too tight to cope with a car falling back down.

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The 'dog' is attached to the chain, indeed. It is the safest anti-rollback system really, for vertical climbs. If they used LSM's the running costs will be greatly increased. I very much assume it'll be the same lift system as the rest of them.

Gonna ask; how much marketing can you see for this? Although I wasn't old enough to remember, I hear that Oblivion was shoved down people's necks with national adverts, TV spotlights and marketing across cereals etc.

I'm suspecting that marketing could be more internet and social media-based for SW7. Not entirely sure why, but that's what I think at the moment. Given what we know of the theme, I suspect that the marketing could be more subtle than before.

It might be subtle to start with but come March there'll be national ad campaigns a-plenty...


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If they follow oblivion type timing of marketing. It will go quiet until after christmas then, quietly drip bits to get interest. then in late Feb/early march the marketing will explode onto all media.

My ideal idea of the marketing:

1. A low-key Christmas marketing wise
2. A slight drip of information in January
3. A huge explosion of marketing for my birthday (The 16th of February) - better dream on!
4. SW7 to be rammed down our necks and all over the TV by March
5. A stupid rumour of human experimenting before the ride circulating :.

If this has an Oblivion esque campaign I shall be over the moon! That campaign was just incredible It was everywhere! Remember the creepy letters "they" kept sending out to RCCGB and alike? Unmarked letters with no return address, and inside just cryptic notes written on plain paper with a stencil. Obviously, I can't believe for one second they would go to such lengths with this, but if they do the mainstream promotion of the ride in the same way I will be very very impressed

I'm pretty sure that they were threatening letters sent to Andy Hine by a club member thinking that he had inside information.