Easy to say until you are in their shoes. When you have lets say a £250,000 house and 2 kids and want to protect it so you children inherit it from you when you pass, and Mr MP is saying he is going to take some of that away from you, who would you vote for? (by the way thats an example, not representative of any particular political party).
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2019 General Election Poll and Discussion
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Easy to say until you are in their shoes. When you have lets say a £250,000 house and 2 kids and want to protect it so you children inherit it from you when you pass, and Mr MP is saying he is going to take some of that away from you, who would you vote for? (by the way thats an example, not representative of any particular political party).
Rick
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I don't think you can remember how things were in government when you were aged ten, but you can reflect on the quality of your schooling, the size of your classes and the general quality of the childhood that you had, in terms of things provided by the state.
If you're a child of Blair and Brown and you know that Sure Start played a big role in your upbringing, you don't have to remember every session to be outraged that it has now been systematically destroyed. It doesn't go unnoticed the library that you learned to read in is now a beauty salon and the council pool where you learnt to swim is now a collection of swanky five bedroom houses.
If you are bringing your own kids into the world, I think it's perfectly natural to look back at the opportunities life afforded you and compare it what the youth of today have available to them.
If you're a child of Blair and Brown and you know that Sure Start played a big role in your upbringing, you don't have to remember every session to be outraged that it has now been systematically destroyed. It doesn't go unnoticed the library that you learned to read in is now a beauty salon and the council pool where you learnt to swim is now a collection of swanky five bedroom houses.
If you are bringing your own kids into the world, I think it's perfectly natural to look back at the opportunities life afforded you and compare it what the youth of today have available to them.
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Plastic Person
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I would absolutely vote for whatever party would at least try their best, or commit a reasonable amount of resources to ensuring that people weren't dying out on the streets or inside their homes with no food. I genuinely don't enjoy being virtuous about these matters, but we are in a state of crisis at this stage.
speedy
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Of course it's impossible to say for sure what you'd do until you're in the position yourself. However I personally have no interest in inheriting my parent's house intact, it's not where I want to live. So if it has to be sold to pay some inheritance tax it's not a big deal. I'd rather reform society and re-balance wealth such that my children can grow up and prosper without having to rely on inheriting my stuff which they may or may not want.
Plus my parents and grandparents wealth is my wealth to an extent. At least, it is when I stay at their house! None of us earn enough that we'll be taxed more under Labour but I'm fully aware that under Labour's plan I'd inherit less and that in the later stages of my career I'll be taxed more too.
There's also the fact that we're already seeing the effects of climate change, and that's only going to get worse. Wouldn't you want your children to grow up in a sustainable world where we're not choking on car fumes or eating microplastics?
jon81uk
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If more voting may damage democracy then why have we got a general election just two years after the last one?
And yes Cameron didn't have a plan for what happens if leave won, but it doesn't really seem Farage, Johnson, Gove or any of the vote leave side had a plan for what to do if they won either.
The really big mistake was starting article 50 without any plan of what to do next. May should have worked out what Brexit is and what we would do and then set in motion article 50.
When I leave for work in the morning there is occasionally a poster on the bus stop which advises me to remain indoors as the air is hazardous. I don't have that choice, I have to go to work. I already want to live in a world where I'm not choking on fumes.
Then I suggest those older people take a pause and look at what they have, and look at why their children don't have the same. Then look at the conservatives.
I want to own a home - why is a one bedroom flat going to cost £250,000
I want to retire at a reasonable age. Why is the age we need to work to always rising.
Personally, I don't think we can stop climate change. Just look at a report out yesterday about the sale of SUVs. On the one hand you have the parents worried about their kids growing up, yet it's mostly parents who drive these SUVs to take their kids to school! Our local school this morning was full of Land Rovers dropping off their kids.
Plus, then you have China, the USA, India, seriously, what's the point if these biggest polluters are not going to do anything?
Easy to say until you are in their boots. I'm sure many people on here will have a change of opinion once they reach old age!
And it's not just the conservatives who are to blame for children having less. Subsequent governments, be is Tory, Labour and Lib Dem have all had their fingers in the pie.
As for retiring later, well the easy answer for that is people are living longer and the pension pots won't cover this as they stand.
As I already said, I'll happily pay more tax. It's an investment in the future. I am in their boots, I have a good job and pay tax.
I don't have kids, but if anything that will strengthen my resolve to invest and make the world a better place for them.
Well, what we should be doing therefore, is stopping buying anything from these countries, however, given nearly everyones phones are made in China, clothes are made in China, and most tech stuff in our houses are made in China, all the Western world is doing is pushing China to pollute even more as we buy more and more stuff from them.
By the way, I wonder how many people will be pulling Christmas Crackers this year, check the plastic tatt inside it, no doubt that will be made in China!
As for paying more tax to invest in peoples futures, I agree to some extent which is why I said I would pay a bit more so students dont have to pay extortionate fees to go to University. However, I dont agree in paying more to support people (a) who are too lazy to get a job and (b) who come to the country looking to exploit our benefits system and free healthcare.
Stop buying stuff in general is a great rule of thumb. Of course everybody struggles to reduce consumption, including me, but every little helps.
The attitude that unless the big guys do something, nothing will make a difference does not help, at all.
And there are of course many ways to stop people who are lazy or not entitled from claiming benefits. Even within the EU we don't have to give EU citizens benefits and if they haven't found work within 3 months we can even tell them that they need to leave. The idea that freedom of movement is uncontrollable is unfortunately a lie which has been peddled by certain media outlets.
The attitude that unless the big guys do something, nothing will make a difference does not help, at all.
And there are of course many ways to stop people who are lazy or not entitled from claiming benefits. Even within the EU we don't have to give EU citizens benefits and if they haven't found work within 3 months we can even tell them that they need to leave. The idea that freedom of movement is uncontrollable is unfortunately a lie which has been peddled by certain media outlets.
Maybe not, but its the truth. Was only last year a report found Chinese companies using banned CFCs were responsible for further damage to the ozone layer which scientists couldn't understand until they found this out. That was just 1 country causing damage to the global problem. America will never stop using oil like its water and wanting their V12 5 litre cars where fuel costs 40p a litre. Then we have countries like India (and China) who are building new coal fired power stations next year.
Smaller countries (like the UK) can do their bit yes, we can all drive around in electric cars, but unless these HUGE countries change their ways, then unfortunately we cant stop climate change.
And i've not heard ONE politician talk about this, nor have I seen any Extinction Rebellion protests in these countries.
Plastic Person
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It's pretty difficult to organise an Extinction Rebellion protest in militant China, to be fair. Equally, part of Extinction Rebellion's remit in the UK and across Europe is an effort to force governments to make larger and emerging economies accountable for their damaging choices. But, on the evidence of this thread and beyond, I can safely hazard a guess that you likely consider the Extinction Rebellion movement to be a load of feckless students fighting for a lost cause anyway?
Now now, no I dont actually, BUT I dont think gluing themselves to electric tube trains, or electric buses to be helping their cause, nor do I think blocking roads and causing traffic to produce even more pollution is the answer! But stopping further damage to the climate is something I also believe in.
bluesonichd
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More people in work than ever before, low inflation and the economy is growing, thank you to the Conservatives
Plastic Person
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OK, sorry for putting words in your mouth. Then again, consider that experts have spent decades lobbying the government on this issue, to very minimal effect. Sometimes direct action involves getting up people's noses a bit. I also don't think it's fair to say, "Ahhhh, but causing traffic results in fumes!" or, "Ahhh, you think China's pollution is bad, but your Christmas cracker has Chinese plastic in it!" There's always a level of hypocrisy inherent in every action, decision or movement, and if we want change, we have to retain perspective and not dissolve into political puritanism (incidentally, the reason much of the mania around Corbyn himself seems like a disaster waiting to happen...)
Crawleyboy01
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More people in work than ever before, low inflation and the economy is growing, thank you to the Conservatives
Growth of 0.3% is a decline not actual growth. Zero hour contracts account for a lot of the "improved employment" figures
Oh and while on this subject, a country this size can at this moment borrow money at a rate of -0.25%.....yes you read that right, we would recive more money for borrowing money. Even if our credit rating is reduced....and I would like to stress the rating of the uk was AAA+ 10 years ago, but even of we get downgraded to AA the interest rate rises to about 0.00%....never a better time to borrow free money to invest in a change