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They have done similar in the past. In the early 2000s the monorail queue line videos used to encourage people to head to X-Sector first thing and leave Air and Nemesis until the end of the day.

Whether it made any material difference to guest behaviour is another matter.
 
AT86 said:
They have done similar in the past. In the early 2000s the monorail queue line videos used to encourage people to head to X-Sector first thing and leave Air and Nemesis until the end of the day.

Whether it made any material difference to guest behaviour is another matter.
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I think the quality difference is the problem. Wicker man and the smiler stand out so much to the public understandably. Enthusiasts love Nemesis and I completely respect that as it is an iconic ride, but to the GP it isn't an instant draw.
Edit: I always sound like I'm being harsh on Nemesis maybe it's not the same to me as others here on TS as I wasn't even born when Nemesis opened so it'll mean more to those who grew up with it
 
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Ethan said:
I think the quality difference is the problem. Wicker man and the smiler stand out so much to the public understandably as imo nothing competes with them on park. Enthusiasts love Nemesis and I completely respect that as it is an iconic ride, but the GP it isn't an instant draw
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Im sure if the main entrance was next to forbidden valley it would work the other way around, but yes they are probably the most popular coasters on the park throughout the day. But to me it’s mostly due to their locations that makes them busier in the mornings.
 
AstroDan said:
It is a thing at all parks that the biggest rides get the longest queues immediately, or rides nearer the entrance.

A solution would be for ATR to open rides like WM/Smiler from the very moment anybody enters the park at 9.15am. But with late closes. tech services would probably struggle.

An issue with the park is that a queue is allowed to build up before the ride(s) even open.
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That is a good point and definitely one that I should have thought of, I guess ERT will help with that (if and when it starts back) but that will depend on which rides get included and how many are eligible for it. If they did Forbidden Valley and Dark Forest for ERT (I remember Forbidden Valley used to be on ERT a few years ago) then could that help spread the crowds around the park?
 
Connor98 said:
Im sure if the main entrance was next to forbidden valley it would work the other way around, but yes they are probably the most popular coasters on the park throughout the day. But to me it’s mostly due to their locations that makes them busier in the mornings.
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The location is likely the biggest influence I agree. I guess it's quite inconvenient to go to the back of the park first
 
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Ethan said:
I think the quality difference is the problem. Wicker man and the smiler stand out so much to the public understandably. Enthusiasts love Nemesis and I completely respect that as it is an iconic ride, but to the GP it isn't an instant draw.
Edit: I always sound like I'm being harsh on Nemesis maybe it's not the same to me as others here on TS as I wasn't even born when Nemesis opened so it'll mean more to those who grew up with it
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Nemesis is adored by the 'GP'.
 
Ethan said:
People can choose whatever ride they want to get on first. They know full well that they choose either of those 2 and they'll be waiting longer than the other coasters
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Literally the point of his post is that people don't know that if they chose one of those two they'll be waiting longer than if they chose the others. Unless they are geeky losers like us why on earth would they?

The park can do things to spread the load from the two major rides which are new and near the entrance, including early ride time and hotel access away from these attractions. It's not an outlandish suggestion at all.
 
pluk said:
Literally the point of his post is that people don't know that if they chose one of those two they'll be waiting longer than if they chose the others. Unless they are geeky losers like us why on earth would they?

The park can do things to spread the load from the two major rides which are new and near the entrance, including early ride time and hotel access away from these attractions. It's not an outlandish suggestion at all.
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I was struggling to get my words together earlier and this post pretty much sums up what I wanted to say. Thanks
 
I think it's also partially as WM and Smiler have a reputation for having the longest queues - people then think they have to do one of them first to "beat the queue". A good idea in theory, but it doesn't work if you're not there early enough and end up waiting over an hour at 10am, which is a really bad use of time as almost everything else in the park will have no queue.

Or, to put it another way:

10:15am queue times: WM 60min, Rita 5 min.
2pm queue times: WM 80min, Rita 60 min.

The smart thing to do if you get into the park shortly after 10am is to ignore the most popular rides. You may queue slightly longer for them later but the time you lose then will be more than offset by the time you can save now by riding other things instead.
 
John said:
I think it's also partially as WM and Smiler have a reputation for having the longest queues
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Yes this is what I meant. They're known for having longer queues. If at 10am you look at the app and you see the smiler and wicker man at an hour and everything else 0-5, why on earth would you choose to join the queue for WM or Smiler. I just don't get peoples logic there, you can leave them until later in the day and get on plenty of rides in the same time as you would've been queueing for 1
 
Ethan said:
Yes this is what I meant. They're known for having longer queues. If at 10am you look at the app and you see the smiler and wicker man at an hour and everything else 0-5, why on earth would you choose to join the queue for WM or Smiler. I just don't get peoples logic there, you can leave them until later in the day and get on plenty of rides in the same time as you would've been queueing for 1
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I think most of those people will have joined the queue before 10am and will not have a good indication of the queue's length until the ride opens.
 
Ethan said:
Yes this is what I meant. They're known for having longer queues. If at 10am you look at the app and you see the smiler and wicker man at an hour and everything else 0-5, why on earth would you choose to join the queue for WM or Smiler. I just don't get peoples logic there, you can leave them until later in the day and get on plenty of rides in the same time as you would've been queueing for 1
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Known to you for having those queues, because you are on a forum like this. 99.9% of visitors would not know this. Most people, without knowing the patterns of these things, would look at that queue and think its only going to get even bigger as the park gets busier so best do it now. It's quite a logical thought process even if it is ultimately incorrect.

You really have difficulty viewing the world from other peoples perspective, don't you?
 
jon81uk said:
They used to list top tips on the park map including heading to certain areas first.
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I think they still do on the website last time I checked? In sure it said something along the lines starting at the back of the park?

There is a strategy that's different for every park. I still don't really have one for EP as they let hotel guests in at the back of the park, so running to Wodan first only ever worked once for me. At DLP I found myself legging it to Thunder Mountain first thing for a fast pass. At Thorpe I leave the Swarm and Stealth to the afternoon and nail Saw and Colossus first, there seems to be no good time to get Inferno done due to being in the middle of the park. At Towers, Dark Forest first then conservatory walk to Forbidden Valley usually gets me on 4 coasters in just over the first half hour of park opening but that's after years of knowledge of the park layout and fine tuning.

I guess it heavily depends on park shape and layout (hub & spoke, hour glass, rainbow, horseshoe) and operations (separate entrances, phased openings, ERT etc).

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