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DiogoJ42
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The latest article on Nuclear Secrecy boggles the mind. It uses a recently declassified US target list from 1956, with everyone's favorite Nukemap to plot the devistation that would be caused to the world by just the American bombs.
... We're talking 300,000,000+ dead from blast alone.
There are links within the article to this other site, with an interactive map showing all the targets. Click one to open it in Nukemap. It's scary how much of Germany the Yanks were willing to bomb, just to stop the commies from having it.
Finally, there is a map showing all the fallout estimates for Europe and Asia. You can select the average yield of weapons, from 50Kt to 10Mt. Either way, Europe is dead.
Terrifying, yet fascinating at the same time.
... We're talking 300,000,000+ dead from blast alone.
There are links within the article to this other site, with an interactive map showing all the targets. Click one to open it in Nukemap. It's scary how much of Germany the Yanks were willing to bomb, just to stop the commies from having it.
Finally, there is a map showing all the fallout estimates for Europe and Asia. You can select the average yield of weapons, from 50Kt to 10Mt. Either way, Europe is dead.
Terrifying, yet fascinating at the same time.
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Been to a WWII day at Dover Castle. (As an aside, who gets in to war re-enactment... then decides to play the Nazis? And how the hell do you explain that to people when they ask what you did on the bank holiday‽)
Got to tour the tunnels, though sadly not the DUMPY cold war level. Took my geiger counter with me... not one single click underground. Wouldn't have thought chalk offered much shielding?
They also had quite a few fragments of debris from both Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a glass case. Held the counter up to the glass, and got ONE single, solitary click. I remind you of what I have said before, that my house averages 2-4 cpm!
We're going to pop over to Dungeness tomorrow and see what the readings are like right next to a nuclear power station. Will report!
Got to tour the tunnels, though sadly not the DUMPY cold war level. Took my geiger counter with me... not one single click underground. Wouldn't have thought chalk offered much shielding?
They also had quite a few fragments of debris from both Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a glass case. Held the counter up to the glass, and got ONE single, solitary click. I remind you of what I have said before, that my house averages 2-4 cpm!
We're going to pop over to Dungeness tomorrow and see what the readings are like right next to a nuclear power station. Will report!
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I promised an update on our exploring round the Kent coast, and here it is (took a couple of days to get the photos from @Kelpie. Also having serious trouble uploading them because our internet is a joke, so these are linked to her FB and will probably be dead links soon :/).
Firstly a couple of pics from Dover Castle on Monday...
Nope, no significant activity here.
The Hiroshima / Nagasaki fragments mentioned in my last post are in this case, along with a ROC uniform and a few other cold war bits.
The next day we drove to New Romney, and took the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway down to Dungeness. Being a flat, featureless, desolate peninsula of grim death at the edge of the known world, we could see the power station from miles away...
It's scary how close you can get to it. People actually live here!!!
It's all perfectly safe, folks!
@Kelpie insisted on a selfie from the "beach" (if you can call it that).
We also climbed the old lighthouse (not recommended for @AstroDan!) …
...and took a reading at the top.
Wondering how active it is? Brace yourself...
... 1cpm. Yup. The whole site is the least active place I have taken my Geiger that isn't underground!
Our search returned to military history with a few of the Martello towers built during the Napoleonic wars, which saw use right up to WWII.
"Unauthorised use of metal detectors is prohibited"... It doesn't say anything about Geiger counters.
(2 cpm if you are wondering)
We then drove a little way inland to hunt down Dymchurch ROC post. Click here for it's page on Subterrania Britannica, including some pictures inside the bunker, taken in 2009.
Here's what we found:
Yes, the hatch was open! But given that it was clearly flooded at the bottom, and the massive ammount of cobwebs, we thought it best not to climb down.
I can now say I have hugged a nuclear bunker.
As we drove back to @Kelpie's parent's gaff, we passed the Royal Military Canal. Decided to pull in for a quick look, and what should we see but a WWII pillbox...
A good day was had.
But yeah, still shocked at how disappointingly un-radioactive it was standing next to a nuclear power station.
Firstly a couple of pics from Dover Castle on Monday...
Nope, no significant activity here.
The Hiroshima / Nagasaki fragments mentioned in my last post are in this case, along with a ROC uniform and a few other cold war bits.
The next day we drove to New Romney, and took the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway down to Dungeness. Being a flat, featureless, desolate peninsula of grim death at the edge of the known world, we could see the power station from miles away...
It's scary how close you can get to it. People actually live here!!!
It's all perfectly safe, folks!
@Kelpie insisted on a selfie from the "beach" (if you can call it that).
We also climbed the old lighthouse (not recommended for @AstroDan!) …
...and took a reading at the top.
Wondering how active it is? Brace yourself...
... 1cpm. Yup. The whole site is the least active place I have taken my Geiger that isn't underground!
Our search returned to military history with a few of the Martello towers built during the Napoleonic wars, which saw use right up to WWII.
"Unauthorised use of metal detectors is prohibited"... It doesn't say anything about Geiger counters.
(2 cpm if you are wondering)We then drove a little way inland to hunt down Dymchurch ROC post. Click here for it's page on Subterrania Britannica, including some pictures inside the bunker, taken in 2009.
Here's what we found:
Yes, the hatch was open! But given that it was clearly flooded at the bottom, and the massive ammount of cobwebs, we thought it best not to climb down.
I can now say I have hugged a nuclear bunker.
As we drove back to @Kelpie's parent's gaff, we passed the Royal Military Canal. Decided to pull in for a quick look, and what should we see but a WWII pillbox...
A good day was had.
But yeah, still shocked at how disappointingly un-radioactive it was standing next to a nuclear power station.
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You'd get a higher reading standing next to a coal fired power station than a nuclear one due to all the shielding on the nuclear power station and the burning of coal (which has carbon-14 in it) releases the radioactive isotopes into the air
According to my physics teacher anyway
According to my physics teacher anyway
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although trip to Chernobyl or Fukushima would be banned.
Would it 'eckers, they are a bonus site each
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So a couple of days ago, Kelpie had an X ray for a suspected broken toe (it's not). She put her foot right on the sensor of my geiger counter as soon as she got home. No noticable increase in radioactivity.I've only had it a few months, and thankfully, neither of us have needed an X ray in that time. But if we ever do, I'll be sure to make some scientific observations.
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Soooo, France have had to shut down one of their nuke power stations after some kind of scandal...
http://www.thelocal.fr/20160617/france-shuts-nuclear-reactor-in-areva-parts-scandal
http://www.thelocal.fr/20160617/france-shuts-nuclear-reactor-in-areva-parts-scandal
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Can't watch the video right now as I'm at work, but here's some "doom porn" for ya. Another fake BBC news report of nuclear attack, this time a very modern one, clearly made in the last couple of months.
Loony article from someone who can't work out it's a fake (even the ATS nuts aren't falling for this):
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1567
EDIT: Just got round to watching it:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh boy, it's bad. Seriously bad.
Looks like it was made by some teenagers. Sounds too scripted, real people don't talk that way, especially in a situation like that.
Most of the stuff "reported", such as troop deployment and military alert states would not be public knowledge. The BBC would never openly say that the Queen had evacuated London!
Never mind the fact that as soon as the first bomb kaboomed, the resulting EMP would have knocked out power across most of Europe, and none of the rest of the broadcast could happen.
The events described are accurate enough, and it's clearly made by someone with a passion for the subject. It's just a shame they have no knowledge whatsoever about how TV news works.
It's just..... sooooo bad.
I'll leave the wider innacuracies of how un-BBC it is for @Kelpie to fill out.
Loony article from someone who can't work out it's a fake (even the ATS nuts aren't falling for this):
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1567
EDIT: Just got round to watching it:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh boy, it's bad. Seriously bad.
Looks like it was made by some teenagers. Sounds too scripted, real people don't talk that way, especially in a situation like that.
Most of the stuff "reported", such as troop deployment and military alert states would not be public knowledge. The BBC would never openly say that the Queen had evacuated London!
Never mind the fact that as soon as the first bomb kaboomed, the resulting EMP would have knocked out power across most of Europe, and none of the rest of the broadcast could happen.
The events described are accurate enough, and it's clearly made by someone with a passion for the subject. It's just a shame they have no knowledge whatsoever about how TV news works.
It's just..... sooooo bad.
I'll leave the wider innacuracies of how un-BBC it is for @Kelpie to fill out.
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Kelpie
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Ahahaha, well that was an entertaining half hour. Where do I start?
Now in fairness it's been a while since I've been part of an evac rehearsal, and never an 'event of all out nuclear war' scenario (something to look up). But assuming there would initially be as much attempt as possible for broadcasting to appear to be as routinely normal as it can....
The graphics. All wrong. Right branded colours but that's about it. Not sure if they were attempting to make it 'like' the BBC but deliberately wrong so it couldn't possibly be mistaken for anything real. Either way, the BBC News logo sits on the left side, not the right. 'Locations' at the top of the screen also always go on the left.
The music would not have continued on all through the first section.
Missing a million 'breaking news' stings and straplines that would have kept flashing up on screen. If this is intended to have been made within the last month, the current trend is to 'push back' the picture into a box to enable summarisation information to be displayed at the side of the screen which they most definitely would have in this kind of situation.
The way all the interviews were conducted - not enough interruptions or stopping the 'experts' to clarify points or extra questions. However rubbish, if they could get a bad skype or video phone link up, they'd take it. If this was a genuine rehearsal, they'd have someone in a different room pretending they were in Poland or whatever.
The laughable way they showed a studio wide shot (Clive Myrie sitting at the desk for reference!) and then no other shot of the presenters or studio during the entire half hour!
It's a regular thing for us to record 'fake' news reports for various tv shows and films (I can claim two Doctor Who, a Luther, and the Spooks movie credits this way!), and we infamously have obituary rehearsals. Someone is always on screen. This sounded more like a radio report with visuals.
Now in fairness if the Beeb was evacuated and broadcasting out of the middle of Worcestershire (or wherever it might go) then it's probable most of the regular graphics would be unavailable. But if events actually did escalate that fast, I doubt there would be much time to relocate. And however professional we all are, there's doing your job for the wider public good and being willing to stick around in a studio up to the point of death... I personally reckon the tv channel would go off the air and radio the only broadcast medium far sooner.
Basically, no way this can be mistaken as a genuine piece of BBC 'practice' footage!
Now in fairness it's been a while since I've been part of an evac rehearsal, and never an 'event of all out nuclear war' scenario (something to look up). But assuming there would initially be as much attempt as possible for broadcasting to appear to be as routinely normal as it can....
The graphics. All wrong. Right branded colours but that's about it. Not sure if they were attempting to make it 'like' the BBC but deliberately wrong so it couldn't possibly be mistaken for anything real. Either way, the BBC News logo sits on the left side, not the right. 'Locations' at the top of the screen also always go on the left.
The music would not have continued on all through the first section.
Missing a million 'breaking news' stings and straplines that would have kept flashing up on screen. If this is intended to have been made within the last month, the current trend is to 'push back' the picture into a box to enable summarisation information to be displayed at the side of the screen which they most definitely would have in this kind of situation.
The way all the interviews were conducted - not enough interruptions or stopping the 'experts' to clarify points or extra questions. However rubbish, if they could get a bad skype or video phone link up, they'd take it. If this was a genuine rehearsal, they'd have someone in a different room pretending they were in Poland or whatever.
The laughable way they showed a studio wide shot (Clive Myrie sitting at the desk for reference!) and then no other shot of the presenters or studio during the entire half hour!
It's a regular thing for us to record 'fake' news reports for various tv shows and films (I can claim two Doctor Who, a Luther, and the Spooks movie credits this way!), and we infamously have obituary rehearsals. Someone is always on screen. This sounded more like a radio report with visuals.
Now in fairness if the Beeb was evacuated and broadcasting out of the middle of Worcestershire (or wherever it might go) then it's probable most of the regular graphics would be unavailable. But if events actually did escalate that fast, I doubt there would be much time to relocate. And however professional we all are, there's doing your job for the wider public good and being willing to stick around in a studio up to the point of death... I personally reckon the tv channel would go off the air and radio the only broadcast medium far sooner.
Basically, no way this can be mistaken as a genuine piece of BBC 'practice' footage!