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Apple announcement 12/09/12 - iPhone 5?
Scott
Former TS Team Member
I think that opinion is wearing off now, not least because it is no longer an item of exclusivity any more... So many people (particularly young people) own some iteration of iPhone these days that they are no longer seen as so much of a fashion statement. Yes, there is still brand power surrounding Apple products, but I do not believe it is as bad as it once was.GaryH said:
You called Apple customers stupid because they pay for a product that is in your own opinion overpriced and not as good as something else on the market. I could call you stupid for buying an Android device, but I don't - because I appreciate the pros both operating systems have. You're simply backtracking on your stupidity comment - which is still based on opinion. You're still saying that those who buy an iPhone are stupid for not buying a cheaper Android phone...
£35/month contract + £100-150 quid for the phone. Generally it'll cost you around a grand - or 500 quid a year. But that's pretty similar to the cost of the Galaxy S III on any good price plans... It's described as the iPhone's competitor and it is around the same cost... That's not an Apple thing. That's a simple technology thing.[/quote]
Tom
TS Member
Well to summarise, we're being trickle-fed technology that was developed years ago. They deliberately hold back technology, particularly in terms of batteries, as a future investment.
People will effectively buy anything for its branding, iPhone 4S sales were a testament to that when there was virtually no difference to the iPhone 4.
Steve Jobs is STILL laughing at us from the cemetery in which his greedy and tightfisted remains are buried.
So yeah anyway...tonight I checked my upgrade date and I have about six weeks to wait
People will effectively buy anything for its branding, iPhone 4S sales were a testament to that when there was virtually no difference to the iPhone 4.
Steve Jobs is STILL laughing at us from the cemetery in which his greedy and tightfisted remains are buried.
So yeah anyway...tonight I checked my upgrade date and I have about six weeks to wait
Nick
TS Member
Just a quick note on this topic, and arguments on here in general.
I like a good argument as much as the next guy, but there has to be some rules before hand. I'm can understand how this topic has turned personal, due to opinions of the phone, but just because someone else has a different opinion to you, doesn't mean you should show any disrespect to them. I feel that this topic is a couple more posts away from aggression and public insulting.
I have to agree with what Gary says, but even if the topic is on something as emotive and argumentative on something like that, that doesn't mean the etiquette should change at all. People need to accept that on the forum, and in life in general, not everyone will support your point of view in a argument, and therefore, you may not understand why they think something. That means you shouldn't disrespect them because of their beliefs, as their beliefs may be as strong as yours- and therefore- they may feel insulted by your response, and may go be led to aggression.
If there's a topic on something that some members may feel strongly about, (eg. religion or homosexuality) there's nothing wrong with others opposing your view, as they will always be people like that. Deal with it.
Let me give a example:
The religion topic on TTF was running smoothly, until a few members decided to go publicly against religion. There's nothing wrong with this, as their arguments were fairly inoffensive. It was only when those for religion felt that their beliefs were being attacked, when the topic heated up. However, I'm not suggested that those who were against religion were the cause. I think, both sides of the argument created the heated debate (which led to public slanging), as people are too closed-minded and stubborn to hear out the other side of the argument. Apologies if I offended anyone with that statement, I hope you agree we all do it sometimes (I certainly am very stubborn at times).
Arguments are much better when emotion is left out, and opinions are used as little as possible. Factual evidence is the best form of arguments. To highlight a good argument, in this thread, I think Scott's post gives a very convincing point of view, with some good facts, lack of bias and well-natured language.
Well, apologies for going hugely off topic, but I feel that healthy debate is what this forum lacks, due to fear of upsetting people's beliefs.
I like a good argument as much as the next guy, but there has to be some rules before hand. I'm can understand how this topic has turned personal, due to opinions of the phone, but just because someone else has a different opinion to you, doesn't mean you should show any disrespect to them. I feel that this topic is a couple more posts away from aggression and public insulting.
I have to agree with what Gary says, but even if the topic is on something as emotive and argumentative on something like that, that doesn't mean the etiquette should change at all. People need to accept that on the forum, and in life in general, not everyone will support your point of view in a argument, and therefore, you may not understand why they think something. That means you shouldn't disrespect them because of their beliefs, as their beliefs may be as strong as yours- and therefore- they may feel insulted by your response, and may go be led to aggression.
If there's a topic on something that some members may feel strongly about, (eg. religion or homosexuality) there's nothing wrong with others opposing your view, as they will always be people like that. Deal with it.
Let me give a example:
The religion topic on TTF was running smoothly, until a few members decided to go publicly against religion. There's nothing wrong with this, as their arguments were fairly inoffensive. It was only when those for religion felt that their beliefs were being attacked, when the topic heated up. However, I'm not suggested that those who were against religion were the cause. I think, both sides of the argument created the heated debate (which led to public slanging), as people are too closed-minded and stubborn to hear out the other side of the argument. Apologies if I offended anyone with that statement, I hope you agree we all do it sometimes (I certainly am very stubborn at times).
Arguments are much better when emotion is left out, and opinions are used as little as possible. Factual evidence is the best form of arguments. To highlight a good argument, in this thread, I think Scott's post gives a very convincing point of view, with some good facts, lack of bias and well-natured language.
Well, apologies for going hugely off topic, but I feel that healthy debate is what this forum lacks, due to fear of upsetting people's beliefs.
Scott
Former TS Team Member
"the stupidly of its customers who fork out a small fortune for this overpriced substandard phone."
Various members on TST own iOS devices and Apple products. Ergo, they are stupid.
Yes, I'm probably being petty, but exactly what you just said hasn't happened, kinda has.
Various members on TST own iOS devices and Apple products. Ergo, they are stupid.
Yes, I'm probably being petty, but exactly what you just said hasn't happened, kinda has.
Tim
TS Member
Rupert said:
Maybe but currently my 3120 (not the newer one) has brought itself back to life twice now. It may not be as indestructible as the 3310 but it seems to be the Lazarus of mobile phones. Plus the battery life is still godly after 6 years.
And yes I still use it... which means I have no place in this topic.
Sam
TS Member
I am not an Apple sheep. I have only ever bought one of their products, and will not be buying an iPhone for the foreseeable future.
But my iPod Classic (6th gen) is the best piece of consumer electronics I've ever bought, hands down. In fact, it might be my favourite thing I've ever bought.
It's absolutely perfect at what it does. As an mp3 player, it is literally perfect in every single way. I can't think of any other consumer electronics product that I've had which I couldn't find a single fault in. Not a single fault.
I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but as Jordan says a lot of the time their stuff 'just works'.
But my iPod Classic (6th gen) is the best piece of consumer electronics I've ever bought, hands down. In fact, it might be my favourite thing I've ever bought.
It's absolutely perfect at what it does. As an mp3 player, it is literally perfect in every single way. I can't think of any other consumer electronics product that I've had which I couldn't find a single fault in. Not a single fault.
I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but as Jordan says a lot of the time their stuff 'just works'.
Dave
TS Founding Member
I really never thought a topic on mobile phones would reach this level of "heated debate". In general the topic has been passionate but acceptable. There have been a few silly attacks and personal comments thrown in that neither help the discussion nor aid your reputation for debate.
So as always just the usual reminder to keep it Passionate but civil.
Much thanks
So as always just the usual reminder to keep it Passionate but civil.
Much thanks
I like Apple products.
I don't like the fetishistic worship to point that to possess them is made into a cultural virtue.
There was a strange song released in 2007 called "Thou Shalt Always Kill" and one section of lyrics went as such:
Listening to any of those bands doesn't make you in anyway inherently better. Sure they are of good quality (well some of them on that list are debatable) but the point is, the icons we choose are only an extension of our personality and there shouldn't be any controversy if our choices differ.
So Apple fans on a high horse - Remember that Apple is just a technology company. You may enjoy their aesthetic values, but that doesn't make another person's set of alternative aesthetic values any less valuable. After all... Aesthetic is purely a matter of perception of the senses and not a matter of virtue.
And to the I hate Apple brigade (myself half-included) - Remember that people are not stupid if they decide Apple embodies the aesthetic values that they feel is right for them. By all means get annoyed with the mightier-than-thou approach that some people adopt but don't get mixed up in criticising the other person's aesthetic taste.
But to clarify, whilst I defend the right to aesthetic taste, it isn't sacred against being criticised for it's ethical connotations, but on a pure aesthetic basis it seems a pointless argument.
I hope this post makes sense...
I don't like the fetishistic worship to point that to possess them is made into a cultural virtue.
There was a strange song released in 2007 called "Thou Shalt Always Kill" and one section of lyrics went as such:
Listening to any of those bands doesn't make you in anyway inherently better. Sure they are of good quality (well some of them on that list are debatable
) but the point is, the icons we choose are only an extension of our personality and there shouldn't be any controversy if our choices differ.So Apple fans on a high horse - Remember that Apple is just a technology company. You may enjoy their aesthetic values, but that doesn't make another person's set of alternative aesthetic values any less valuable. After all... Aesthetic is purely a matter of perception of the senses and not a matter of virtue.
And to the I hate Apple brigade (myself half-included) - Remember that people are not stupid if they decide Apple embodies the aesthetic values that they feel is right for them. By all means get annoyed with the mightier-than-thou approach that some people adopt but don't get mixed up in criticising the other person's aesthetic taste.
But to clarify, whilst I defend the right to aesthetic taste, it isn't sacred against being criticised for it's ethical connotations, but on a pure aesthetic basis it seems a pointless argument.
I hope this post makes sense...
Moley
TS Member
Another conference, another shining example of Apple's lack of originality. A collection of rehashed ideas and gimmicks that don't stand up to any scrutiny all under the umbrella of innovation.
A fashion company with an ever struggling technology department and severely underpaid lawyers.
A fashion company with an ever struggling technology department and severely underpaid lawyers.
Poisson
TS Member
Right time to put in my thoughts.....
The iPhone 5 is a gimmick.......... How it can be called a 'new' phone is a lie.
Once again, Apple is not unique with it's new product. I may be a Samsung owner so you may discount my opinions but I think that buying the 5 will be pointless.
How long will it be before the iPhone actually gets a proper re-design?
The iPhone 5 is a gimmick.......... How it can be called a 'new' phone is a lie.
Once again, Apple is not unique with it's new product. I may be a Samsung owner so you may discount my opinions but I think that buying the 5 will be pointless.
How long will it be before the iPhone actually gets a proper re-design?
I wasn't going to reply to this conversation but it really has hit highs in pettiness.
First of all, people aren't stupid (the majority). If the iPhone really was as bad as being mentioned, it wouldn't sell as much as it does.
I for one have an iPhone.. I have also owned an android and windows phone.
Both were ok, but I've always returned to my iPhone. The fact I can sync all my docs, emails, cals, contacts, will my iPad and iMac instantaneously is amazing, and iCloud is the most elegant way of doing this.
iPhone has amazing apps, is built incredibly well and just works. I'm more than fine with the iOS, compared to the buggy iterations of other companies offering.
But in the end, it's just another smart phone, with equally smart competitors, just because some people can afford it, doesn't give you a reason to let hell loose. It is their money after all.
As for the 5. It really is an engineering marvel, and let's not forget, the added power is a tool for app developers to harness, we will soon see why this upgrade is noteworthy.
The main thing to remember is:
How does someone liking/buying and iPhone effect your life?
Answer, it doesn't!
First of all, people aren't stupid (the majority). If the iPhone really was as bad as being mentioned, it wouldn't sell as much as it does.
I for one have an iPhone.. I have also owned an android and windows phone.
Both were ok, but I've always returned to my iPhone. The fact I can sync all my docs, emails, cals, contacts, will my iPad and iMac instantaneously is amazing, and iCloud is the most elegant way of doing this.
iPhone has amazing apps, is built incredibly well and just works. I'm more than fine with the iOS, compared to the buggy iterations of other companies offering.
But in the end, it's just another smart phone, with equally smart competitors, just because some people can afford it, doesn't give you a reason to let hell loose. It is their money after all.
As for the 5. It really is an engineering marvel, and let's not forget, the added power is a tool for app developers to harness, we will soon see why this upgrade is noteworthy.
The main thing to remember is:
How does someone liking/buying and iPhone effect your life?
Answer, it doesn't!
Can I just clarify what i meant by my comment - which I accept has come across wrong. Firstly, I dont think everyone that buys an iPhone is stupid. I know I said it, but I didnt mean it as such. What i should have said and what i meant is that the people who queue up outside the shops for days on end to be first in the queue around the world are stupid. I dont get it. I dont get what makes the new 5 any better than the 4s. Maybe its because they feel like they are superior human beings as they get clapped in and out of the shop.... who knows. But thats what I was getting at. And the people who think that any new Apple product, no matter how similar it is to the last one, is just the best thing on earth. Dont get them either.
Anyway, thats what I meant. I appreciate it came across as a generalisation so apologies. However, it still puzzles me why someone would want to spend £500+ a year on a phone but hey ho!
Anyway, thats what I meant. I appreciate it came across as a generalisation so apologies. However, it still puzzles me why someone would want to spend £500+ a year on a phone but hey ho!
I do find it bizarre that there is some kind of Apple vs everyone else debate whenever there is any kind of launch of an Apple product.
I can honestly say that my Facebook and Twitter timelines have only been full of comments from the Apple haters with the iPhone 5 launch yesterday. I can't understand why people would waste so much of their time and effort criticising something they allegedly have no interest in. It's very odd. We are, after all, talking about a mobile phone!!
From my point of view, the launch was unremarkable. My current contract on my 4S runs through until next August anyway, which will probably be in time for the following product. My only hope is that there is an improvement on battery life at some point. Other than that I can really criticise the Apple product.
I can honestly say that my Facebook and Twitter timelines have only been full of comments from the Apple haters with the iPhone 5 launch yesterday. I can't understand why people would waste so much of their time and effort criticising something they allegedly have no interest in. It's very odd. We are, after all, talking about a mobile phone!!
From my point of view, the launch was unremarkable. My current contract on my 4S runs through until next August anyway, which will probably be in time for the following product. My only hope is that there is an improvement on battery life at some point. Other than that I can really criticise the Apple product.
Tom
TS Member
The more I read about the iPhone 5, the more I think the changes must have taken little more than a single morning boardroom meeting over a couple of cups of coffee. Changing the docking port rendering old accessories useless is criminal.
All businesses screw us one way or another with new products, but the iPhone 5 is a bit more more of an insult than most.
The company is offensive and frankly Steve Jobs was a liar - just a marketer that spouted rubbish too many people believed. His much-glorified 'vision' was one of drip-feeding fashion-conscious people new designs and technology a tiny bit at a time. He and Apple pioneered virtually nothing of value in my eyes.
I can understand the niavety from the American public, but not Europe. However, maybe we're coming round on this side of the Atlantic now as I have noticed more people using Galaxy and Windows phones etc than before.
All businesses screw us one way or another with new products, but the iPhone 5 is a bit more more of an insult than most.
The company is offensive and frankly Steve Jobs was a liar - just a marketer that spouted rubbish too many people believed. His much-glorified 'vision' was one of drip-feeding fashion-conscious people new designs and technology a tiny bit at a time. He and Apple pioneered virtually nothing of value in my eyes.
I can understand the niavety from the American public, but not Europe. However, maybe we're coming round on this side of the Atlantic now as I have noticed more people using Galaxy and Windows phones etc than before.