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PPE shortages brought on by left wing MSN including the Biased Broadcasting Corporation

there are many many Nurses and Drs out there with no left wing agenda saying
They have enough PPE

"Rebecca moved to quash any worries about the availability of PPE. She said: “There’s a lot of news around PPE. We have got enough PPE for everybody and a lot of the training we put on consists of PPE training. “All our staff have access to the top PPE and everyone will get training before starting. We just want to encourage more nurses coming back into the profession.”"
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heal...rning-nurses-at-royal-free-hospital-1-6611428

But the media like to wind people up till the gov have no choice but react,(I know this from personal experience) even if behind the scenes nothing has changed and they are carrying on with procuring PPE as the wold have done anyway
 
bluesonichd said:
PPE shortages brought on by left wing MSN including the Biased Broadcasting Corporation

there are many many Nurses and Drs out there with no left wing agenda saying
They have enough PPE

"Rebecca moved to quash any worries about the availability of PPE. She said: “There’s a lot of news around PPE. We have got enough PPE for everybody and a lot of the training we put on consists of PPE training. “All our staff have access to the top PPE and everyone will get training before starting. We just want to encourage more nurses coming back into the profession.”"
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heal...rning-nurses-at-royal-free-hospital-1-6611428

But the media like to wind people up till the gov have no choice but react,(I know this from personal experience) even if behind the scenes nothing has changed and they are carrying on with procuring PPE as the wold have done anyway
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Its the same as Tripadvisor and other reviews, people love to tell you the bad experiences and they get shared around a lot more.

But one nurse dying because they didn't have the equipment they needed is a death that could have been avoided. It is important that every area has the equipment they need.
 
bluesonichd said:
PPE shortages brought on by left wing MSN including the Biased Broadcasting Corporation

there are many many Nurses and Drs out there with no left wing agenda saying
They have enough PPE

"Rebecca moved to quash any worries about the availability of PPE. She said: “There’s a lot of news around PPE. We have got enough PPE for everybody and a lot of the training we put on consists of PPE training. “All our staff have access to the top PPE and everyone will get training before starting. We just want to encourage more nurses coming back into the profession.”"
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heal...rning-nurses-at-royal-free-hospital-1-6611428

But the media like to wind people up till the gov have no choice but react,(I know this from personal experience) even if behind the scenes nothing has changed and they are carrying on with procuring PPE as the wold have done anyway
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Oh come off it, this isn't left wing propaganda it's an outright fact that there is a PPE shortage across the country and indeed worldwide. You've linked to an article which is basically trying to encourage people who are trained to come back to the sector. They're hardly going to say they're really struggling for PPE when they're trying to get people back to support the system.

If there wasn't a PPE shortage, there wouldn't be amended guidance for wearing PPE by HSE. There wouldn't be care home operators begging for deliveries of supplies. There wouldn't be the RAF flying to Turkey to pickup a shipment which although large, will last a matter of days.

Away from the media, I've spoken to people who work on the frontline in both the medical and the care sector who are having to wash single use PPE, increase the length of time they wear it for or suddenly not wear it for situations where they did previously. Even the government themselves admitted that PPE is in short supply in multiple interviews, hence the focus on that RAF flight which they themselves promised at the weekend but only turned up today.

It's frankly pathetic how it's come to this. Criticise a government's completely inadequate response in many areas, but people still call this out as a "left wing agenda". Let's run through a few things going on at the moment, and just to prove a point - all of these stories have also featured in right wing press which I'll link to:

There's NHS staff who want to be tested to get back on the frontline in the many empty testing centres, but for some reason can't get an appointment. (The Sun)

NHS staff won't have enough protective gowns until June (The Sun)

Dominic Raab forcing a civil servant to backtrack on his claim that the UK not participating in the EU ventilator scheme was a political decision (Daily Mail)

There's contract textile and PPE manufacturers across the UK with huge capacity wondering why the government haven't got back to them despite designer brands with smaller capacity being championed by government ministers. (Daily Mail) (The Sun)

PPE arrives in the UK with only half the amount planned but UK manufacturers are shipping abroad as the UK government haven't responded (The Sun)
 
This feels quite significant, given there are many everyday things you can't really do whilst maintaining social distancing.

Social distancing is likely to be needed until a vaccine is available for Covid-19, according to the chief medical officer for England, Chris Whitty. He told the daily news briefing he was hopeful for a vaccine within a year but there is a long way to go between having a vaccine and widespread immunity. It would therefore be “wholly unrealistic” to think that restrictions would be relaxed any time soon and some “very socially disruptive” measures would almost certainly have to remain in force for the rest of the year, he said. Whitty added that coronavirus was not going to be eradicated, so we must accept we will be working with it globally for the foreseeable future.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/22/uk-coronavirus-live-government-ppe-procurement-latest-update
 
It sucks big time, but there’s not a lot else we can do. I get the idea Chris Witty’s talking in worst-case-scenario terms, which makes a lot of sense. I’d rather have that and things get back to whatever the new norm will be sooner as opposed to lockdown and social distancing being extended again and again.
 
Rick said:
This feels quite significant, given there are many everyday things you can't really do whilst maintaining social distancing.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/22/uk-coronavirus-live-government-ppe-procurement-latest-update
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With more and more reports of up to 80% of cases being asymptomatic and without an antibody test they have absolutely no idea how much of the population have had the virus so they can't be certain of anything. So much of this is estimation and guess work. Testing for the virus itself is a joke with only frontline workers and those admitted to hospital being tested. Who knows the numbers who have recovered at home.

As said above its worst case scenario as they simply don't know. It takes years to understand a virus like this just like it took years to understand HIV and there's still unknowns with that.

The government still describe Covid 19 as NOT being a high consequence infectious disease.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
 
Imagine if it was a HCID? Then we would be done for.

Personally I’m getting fed up being some scientists plaything, they don’t agree (there is a surprise) so why is the government only taking the worst case all of the time.
I have a funny feeling they were on the right path to begin with but only history will tell us in the end.
 
Rick said:
This feels quite significant, given there are many everyday things you can't really do whilst maintaining social distancing.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/22/uk-coronavirus-live-government-ppe-procurement-latest-update
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However, the government is also suggesting the use of masks in places where it is difficult to maintain a 2m distance, as there is now evidence proving that masks inhibit transmission. Maybe compulsory masks will be made to exist in places where it is difficult to maintain social distancing? It would certainly be better than making these places stay closed.
 
Matt N said:
However, the government is also suggesting the use of masks in places where it is difficult to maintain a 2m distance, as there is now evidence proving that masks inhibit transmission. Maybe compulsory masks will be made to exist in places where it is difficult to maintain social distancing? It would certainly be better than making these places stay closed.
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It is hard to eat a Macdonald or KFC when wearing a mask

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The cynic in me has been thinking all along that masks would surely be better than no masks but they didn't want to tell us to wear them at first as the NHS would have struggled to get hold of them.

Also, just want to repeat how much I think the government have ballsed this up by having this one foot in one foot out 'lockdown'. Ruining our economy and not actually dealing with the health issue adequately enough at the same time. Proper absolute lockdown or no lockdown at all (apart from shielding the most vulnerable) should have been the options but they've tried a bit of both and it has not achieved much at all. All in my humble opinion obviously.
 
Interestingly, as things are progressing, I'm actually starting to think that Sweden's idea has been quite good, even though I admit it's controversial. It protects the vulnerable while also not wrecking the economy.

Also, some scientists now predict that Sweden could have herd immunity by next month, so it's worked quickly.
 
Austin Towers said:
The economy on its arse is high consequence enough. That's not included though.
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You could argue that's covered by
"requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely"

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Matt N said:
Interestingly, as things are progressing, I'm actually starting to think that Sweden's idea has been quite good, even though I admit it's controversial. It protects the vulnerable while also not wrecking the economy.

Also, some scientists now predict that Sweden could have herd immunity by next month, so it's worked quickly.
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That's exactly what we should have stuck with as well as rapidly beefing up the NHS as soon as possible (which we did do well). Our Gov were too scared to make the correct decision though for whatever reason.
 
BarryZola said:
Our Gov were too scared to make the correct decision though for whatever reason.
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Main Stream Media and public stupidity


QUOTE="Matt N, post: 288200, member: 3781"]Interestingly, as things are progressing, I'm actually starting to think that Sweden's idea has been quite good,[/QUOTE]


Well that’s one more convert
Another 5999999 to go
 
I don't think there's necessarily a correct decision; any path we could have taken would have resulted in death, harm and hardship of some form. However, my personal view is that herd immunity, although controversial at the time, was actually a very pragmatic way of solving the problem; a good compromise, if you like.
 
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