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Benjsh said:
You have made the cardinal sin that everyone seems to make on this subject. It's not just about whether you've been vaccinated or not. What about all the people abroad who haven't yet been that you could be potentially mixing with?

The Vaccine does not stop you getting Covid and therefore spreading it. In fact my understanding of it is that your chances of getting it are the exact same with or without the jab. The major difference comes in the fact you're clearly far more unlikely to be hospitalised after having the jab. That's why it is so important we all get one.

So to answer you it's not about keeping us all locked up. It's about keeping this thing under more control so we don't have to continue to live our lives like this.
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I understand that thank you!!

Given how slow the rollout has been in Europe the chances of getting there this summer is remote and a fact that I personally accept.
However many people don’t and don’t accept that we are going to be in a worse situation this year than last despite all the ‘promises’. And this can lead to unrest if they are mot careful. Some are genuinely concerned that we will be in a constant loop of lockdowns for years and are scared for their futures.

at some point society will have to accept COVID is here to stay and have to learn to live with it without restrictions. At some point people will have to mix with others regardless of if they’ve had the vaccine or not.

People are tired of the goal posts moving, just when you get close to them. The younger ones getting miffed at the fact that they envisage not being able to do anything this summer whilst all the grannies go off on cruises etc, despite the fact they have put their lives on hold for well over the year to help these same people.
 
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Vik said:
I understand that thank you!!

Given how slow the rollout has been in Europe the chances of getting there this summer is remote and a fact that I personally accept.
However many people don’t and don’t accept that we are going to be in a worse situation this year than last despite all the ‘promises’. And this can lead to unrest if they are mot careful. Some are genuinely concerned that we will be in a constant loop of lockdowns for years and are scared for their futures.

at some point society will have to accept COVID is here to stay and have to learn to live with it without restrictions. At some point people will have to mix with others regardless of if they’ve had the vaccine or not.

People are tired of the goal posts moving, just when you get close to them. The younger ones getting miffed at the fact that they envisage not being able to do anything this summer whilst all the grannies go off on cruises etc, despite the fact they have put their lives on hold for well over the year to help these same people.
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Foreign travel will resume this year anyway and probably earlier than we all think. We might have to begrudgingly accept that people who have been jabbed twice might get first dibs. Not ideal at all but I can live with that. My wife and I have already made the decision to not go abroad this year at all and spend money on the house instead.

Florida 2022 will be booked soon too.
 
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A lot of this seems to boil down to “nobody can go on holiday until I can go on holiday” , which seems a little bit odd. Yes, younger people have made sacrifices, everyone has . But it’s immature to say others can’t go away just because you can’t yet . Would you rather nobody go somewhere until everyone can ?

Its in nobodies interest for our government not to provide a facility for proof of vaccination . Other countries are asking for vaccination proof or negative test results to gain entry, so the only thing our government would achieve by not facilitating a vaccine passport is that nobody can go anywhere .
 
tayspru said:
A lot of this seems to boil down to “nobody can go on holiday until I can go on holiday” , which seems a little bit odd. Yes, younger people have made sacrifices, everyone has . But it’s immature to say others can’t go away just because you can’t yet . Would you rather nobody go somewhere until everyone can ?

Its in nobodies interest for our government not to provide a facility for proof of vaccination . Other countries are asking for vaccination proof or negative test results to gain entry, so the only thing our government would achieve by not facilitating a vaccine passport is that nobody can go anywhere .
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This is the problem though.....many rational people will agree with you and see it for what it is. Personally I can accept it that some people will get their full freedoms before others. No issue with it.

However I imagine there are tens of thousands of 18 to 30 year olds who want their lives back. They want to go to clubs, to bars to restaurants and on holiday to places like Ibiza, Mykonos, Marbella etc and party like they have never partied before. You try convincing some of these people. Easier said than done. After all we have all socially distanced to mainly keep the older generations safe as very few people below the age of 40 have died.

I think many young people will feel like its a slap in the face if the older generation now swan off to sunnier climate and say 'balls to the rest of you I got my vaccine'

It is Pandora's box waiting to be opened. People will be royally cheesed off if we create and you can and you can't divide even if it's only for a few months. Why? Because that's human beings for you.
 
There are not just people who want a holiday, there are people who want to travel abroad to see friends or to visit relatives too. You're confusing the point I'm trying to make though, as there's two parts to it which seem to be merged into one. If other countries want to put restrictions in on entry, then so be it - I can complain about it, but at the end of the day that's just how it is. I'm also not against the idea of a vaccination passport system being provided by the UK government.

What I do take issue with though, if a UK citizen's individual freedom is determined by vaccination status when that vaccination cannot legally be obtained by certain age groups until the government say so. That's not immature, that's showing a genuine concern that a class system is being created which risks causing serious issues within the UK. We've had almost a year where everyone in the UK has been under the same restrictions. That's regardless of the risk the virus presents to that person. It didn't matter if a young person was unlikely to be in contact with an at-risk group, they were told to stay inside. And that's fine in the short term, applying those rules to everyone like that helps to ensure as many people as possible abide by the rules - the "all in this together" approach.

To then change those rules and let older people have the freedom to travel, whilst essentially banning those who are younger from doing so is a kick in the teeth to them having abided by the rules for so long. I don't think it's an exaggeration to have real concerns about the impact that could have on social cohesion in the UK. As mentioned my major worry would be if future shorter lockdowns or restrictions come into play in future, then the effectiveness of that is put at severe risk if the government selectively apply rules to age groups.

So how do we fix it? for me it would have to be to allow people to travel with either a full vaccination or a negative test. Those tests should be easily accessible, and either free or very affordable. £120 is simply not a viable cost for many young people, and again creates a class system of older people getting away without that substantial additional cost.
 
Totally agree Craig. There's so many sides to the debate.

Genuinely think it would be so much easier to say nobody flies till every adult is offered a jab however I'm not that naive to believe that is what will happen. Clearly money will dictate policy as is always the way and we will have 60 years olds flying to Benidorm in late May before you can say 'BINGO'
 
I think as long as you can go with a vaccine or a negative test then the injustice is prevented to some extent. Perhaps if they provide a free test for the age groups that haven't yet been vaccinated, that might be a good compromise.

There is no way a policy of "nobody flies until everyone is vaccinated" will happen due to the economic impact.
 
Alsty said:
I think as long as you can go with a vaccine or a negative test then the injustice is prevented to some extent. Perhaps if they provide a free test for the age groups that haven't yet been vaccinated, that might be a good compromise.

There is no way a policy of "nobody flies until everyone is vaccinated" will happen due to the economic impact.
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Oh absolutely. It's never going to happen I agree.

Although the testing brings up a whole new problem. You can test negative and actually be positive. You can also test negative and develop symptoms in the following 7 days from that test. Sadly the test doesn't know that though at the time.
 
rob666 said:
Saga cruises have a vaccine only rule for its cruises starting over the next few months.
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You'll get plenty of private companies doing similar, and that's ultimately their own choice to do so. I don't blame SAGA for doing so on the basis their target market are those at risk groups who will have been vaccinated anyway.

Testing isn't perfect, but then again neither is a vaccine's effectiveness. A test, much like the vaccine only serves to minimise the risk. Nothing will prevent the spread of the virus in some form or another, you can only do what can be done to mitigate that spread.
 
tayspru said:
A lot of this seems to boil down to “nobody can go on holiday until I can go on holiday” , which seems a little bit odd. Yes, younger people have made sacrifices, everyone has . But it’s immature to say others can’t go away just because you can’t yet . Would you rather nobody go somewhere until everyone can ?
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This is not what I, and I think others, are saying. It's finding a solution which is fair for everyone, such as what Craig suggested.
 
The solution is already existent , provide a negative PCR test. It would be lovely if testing could be made free for those who can’t be vaccinated but that simply will not happen , it wouldn’t be justifiable as a taxpayer cost , and it won’t be taken on by any private company .

Holidays and travel for the most part require some level of disposable income , so for the few months where vaccines aren’t available (remember the projections suggest everyone will have had a first dose by July and both by September) it’s going to be one of those things where there is an additional cost in the short term
 
Has anyone else noticed (who can go out legally) the amount of traffic in the roads again since the kids went back this week.


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I haven't noticed too much of a difference, in all honesty, though the amount of traffic on the roads does seem to be slowly increasing as time goes on.
 
monkeyboy said:
Has anyone else noticed (who can go out legally) the amount of traffic in the roads again since the kids went back this week.


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From what I've seen there's been hardly any difference since the post first lockdown reopening.
 
The roads on my after work walks have been slightly busier this week, but not dramatically. Roads are bound to be busier in the mornings/late afternoons with kids being taken to and from school. And I imagine some people have gone back to work now that they don't have kids to home school.

The roads in this lockdown have been nowhere near as quiet as in the first lockdown but the lockdown has had an equally good impact on cases thus far it seems.
 
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