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Coronavirus - The Poll

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I've been thinking for a while now that those who work in care homes should be mandated to get the vaccine, so I am pleased to see that it looks like this could be happening.

Working in a care home is not just any old job. Your primary responsibility is to care for those who are too vulnerable to live on their own, and ensure their safety. Protecting residents from Covid now forms a part of this. As has already been said, everyone in a care home is classed as vulnerable; they are in a care home because they are not able to live alone due to age, frailty and many other medical conditions. Care homes should always be safe spaces for vulnerable people.

I have great admiration for those who work in care, as I do not think it is something I could do. Getting a Covid vaccine is paramount to keeping those vulnerable people that they care for safe. If a care home worker does not want to take that step then they should find a new job that is more suitable to their lifestyle choices.

My Nan is in a care home, she suffers from dementia. The care home is wonderful and we as a family can rest much easier knowing that she is being taken care of in such a brilliant way. I have no idea what the vaccine uptake is in her home but I would be disappointed if people were working there who had chosen not to take the vaccine.

I do not support mandatory vaccination of whole populations. But just like others have said you need the Hep B vaccine to work in some health care roles, and you need other vaccines to travel to particular places in the world. I don't see people kicking off over that.

If one person working in a care home who chose not to take the Covid vaccine ended up taking Covid in to the home where they worked, and caused an outbreak that led to numerous deaths, how would they feel? If they did not feel mortified then again, they are in the wrong job as clearly they don't care. I know how the families of those who lose someone would feel.
 
Just to say I personally don’t think we should be vaccinating children unless they are vulnerable, not because I’m worried about safety, but we should be sending the vaccines out to the rest of the world to prevent deaths and further mutations.

I appreciate the argument about protecting education and onward transmission but I just don’t think the numbers add up.
 
Double post but pondering the issue of compulsory vaccinations.

My partners sister is in lifelong care and we know one of the carers refused the vaccine. Now I can respect the concept of freedom of choice for having the vaccine but the person in care (or their family in the case of those who can’t consent) is getting no choice regarding their exposure to people at risk of giving them a deadly virus.

The only alternative I can see is vaccines remain optional but all health and care staff have to disclose to their patients/ clients their vaccine status and said patients or clients can refuse to be cared for by that person (or have them in their immediate vicinity).

The issue here is you have two sets of people with competing rights, to my mind the person in care has no choice but to be there whereas the carer does have a choice, therefore the person in care is the one who’s right should be respected.
 
Dave said:
The issue here is you have two sets of people with competing rights, to my mind the person in care has no choice but to be there whereas the carer does have a choice, therefore the person in care is the one who’s right should be respected.
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Yep and I think saying I want a fully qualified nurse/carer is equivalent to saying you want a vaccinated carer.
 
GaryH said:
Book company makes vaccinations compulsory for staff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57481895
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I think this feels harder to justify than the carers, but if they allow staff to continue to work from home until they have the vaccine and make it compulsory only to attend the office for now it feels better. What happens in six months when everyone has been offered the vaccine and they want to get people back to the office feels like it might get difficult if there are a significant number of staff refusing to get the vaccine.
 
GaryH said:
Book company makes vaccinations compulsory for staff
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...before office return

Half of the headline makes it misleading, doesn't it? Others can continue working from home.

The company said
"We recently reported the tragic deaths of two Bloomsbury staff from Covid. We will continue to make our own decisions, conscious of the serious consequences of making the wrong ones.

"Inevitably, not everyone will agree. We accept this and, as with so many decisions in the pandemic, we have to do what we believe is right for the wellbeing of all our staff."

Which seems entirely reasonable.
 
pluk said:
...before office return

Half of the headline makes it misleading, doesn't it? Others can continue working from home.

The company said
"We recently reported the tragic deaths of two Bloomsbury staff from Covid. We will continue to make our own decisions, conscious of the serious consequences of making the wrong ones.

"Inevitably, not everyone will agree. We accept this and, as with so many decisions in the pandemic, we have to do what we believe is right for the wellbeing of all our staff."

Which seems entirely reasonable.
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So if they say everyone needs to return, then what?
Effectively saying your fired you don’t conform


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monkeyboy said:
So if they say everyone needs to return, then what?
Effectively saying your fired you don’t conform


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When pimlico plumbers said as such lawyers were all over the news basically saying it's legally dubious firing for such reasons
 
pluk said:
...If...

They haven't though. You are filling in gaps to get angry about something which doesn't exist.
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Ok I’m happy to wait and see. Are you happy if your employer says you no longer have a job unless you are vaccinated?


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monkeyboy said:
Ok I’m happy to wait and see. Are you happy if your employer says you no longer have a job unless you are vaccinated?


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They haven't so I'll give it the zero thought it requires.

We do have to have Hep vaccinations and I have no issues with that. The right to life of the people I come into contact with is greater than any individual right I have to chose my line of work, and that is as it should be.
 
monkeyboy said:
Ok I’m happy to wait and see. Are you happy if your employer says you no longer have a job unless you are vaccinated?


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I have a customers who didn't want me to return to their property until we had both had both jabs, followed by three weeks for the jabs to take effect.
You can say that it was mandatory for me to be vaccinated before returning to work, and I am absolutely fine with that.
It meant a couple of hours less indoor work for a year and a half, he was my first customer dropped, and the last to return.
The fact that he was a senior H&S manager for Lancashire means I used him as an example for all my customers.
 
The gammon anger at the non-compulsory compulsory vaccines reminds me of those people who used to get angry at EU rules that never existed stopping bendy bananas….

If you ask me an office shouldn’t stop unvaccinated staff from returning, simply because you can mitigate the risk by distancing that member of staff. Something you can’t do with front line health and care workers who have to get close to people who are often vulnerable.

I would suspect the courts and any new laws would likely make that distinction.
 
The world is going mad.

I totally believe in freedom of choice for having the vaccine or not.

Personally I've had both, but I wouldn't be bothered sitting next to someone on a ride or football match who chose not to have the jab.

People forget that a third of people are asymptomatic and the survival rate is over 99%.
 
Dave said:
The gammon anger at the non-compulsory compulsory vaccines reminds me of those people who used to get angry at EU rules that never existed stopping bendy bananas….

If you ask me an office shouldn’t stop unvaccinated staff from returning, simply because you can mitigate the risk by distancing that member of staff. Something you can’t do with front line health and care workers who have to get close to people who are often vulnerable.

I would suspect the courts and any new laws would likely make that distinction.
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Beware, using such reason, logic and facts in statements like this is exactly what we have been warned of.

When presented with reason, logic and the statements of fact and truth. It is capable of turning your regular run of the mill gammon into what scientists call a ‘Super Saiyan' gammon. A metamorphosis right before your eyes of truely gigantic proportions.
 
Drew Peacock said:
The world is going mad.

I totally believe in freedom of choice for having the vaccine or not.

Personally I've had both, but I wouldn't be bothered sitting next to someone on a ride or football match who chose not to have the jab.

People forget that a third of people are asymptomatic and the survival rate is over 99%.
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Survival rate is misleading as it is so that's not really a strong argument.
 
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