Coronavirus

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Coronavirus - The Poll

  1. Not had test

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  2. Tested negative

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  3. Tested positive

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  1. Dave

    Dave TS Founding Member

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    I work in a hospital, as a healthcare professional I see plenty of people with viral pneumonia (funnily enough often caused by the Flu). I’m aware of how bad it is, just like I’m aware of viral encephalitis and sepsis etc.

    I mean feel free to continue to think the Flu is a walk in the park and everyone who gets Corona Virus dies. I mean you will be wrong but enjoy the panic.

    This will be endemic in the UK in two weeks; this will kill people. My point is everyone lives in this fluffy world where they think everything is so sanitised and no one dies from everyday illnesses. I have seen people die from Chicken Pox (more common than you think in adults), when people are elderly or already ill then lots of these virus’s kill, this is not yet the new Armageddon.

    One day we will get a Spanish flu equivalent that kills the young and healthy by causing cytokenic storms. Corona Virus doesn’t appear to be that (unless it mutates). Most people who get it have mild to moderate symptoms which means “most” people should avoid panic, which actually puts as much pressure on services and society as the genuinely ill do.
     
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    That's not what I said, what I said was Coronovirus would make common garden flu look like a wet fart by comparison if it took hold because of the extended incubation period.
     
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  3. Dave

    Dave TS Founding Member

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    The incubation period is not really the number you need to look at. It’s how many people on average one person will go on to infect. You can have a huge latency period yet not be incredibly infective if the virus doesn’t transmit easily, or you can have a shorter incubation period but be highly contagious. Worth case scenario is obviously both.

    Numbers on the above are fluctuating all the time at the moment and we don’t know what they are (we don’t actually know what the average incubation period definitely is for this virus, just an apparent upper and lower range).

    If the flu is a wet fart then corona virus is currently just a little bit more skiddy. The people susceptible to serious complications for both diseases are similar. If you are not old or already ill I would de-stress for the time being. If you want to worry about something worry about the one that will come that will kill a greater range of people because it will happen and likely in our lifetimes.
     
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    For each person who catches the flu, another 1 or 2 people will catch it off them.

    For coronavirus, it's between 3 to 6 people.

    If we look at Italy right now, 154 people are in hospital, 34% of which are in a critical condition in ICU. 22% of people who caught it have died.

    Iran is a similar picture though there are doubts they have recorded every case so far.

    Add to this 14% of patients discharged from a hospital in China who treated negative after recovering from it have tested positive again weeks after and are back in hospital. In Japan yesterday a woman who had it, got discharged, stayedaid in her room, has now tested positive again after 3 weeks and is back in hospital.

    NHS staff were today told to shave facial hair so masks can make a decent seal around the face. Government has been speaking to local authorities this week to identify areas which can be used for mass burial sites and have suggested 500k dead in the UK.

    Another case just found in N Ireland , so that's the UK up to 16 now.
     
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    This is why biological weapons are so "efficient": For every one enemy your germ bomb infects, they will infect another six enemies. Before you know it, their whole army is too busy sh¡tting their guts out to fight you.

    As for the theory that this whole thing was intentional by the Chinese government, to remove an "unwanted element" in Hong Kong.... I shall await further evidence.
     
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    If everyone just stayed in there own country. We would have none of this :rolleyes:
    But no. People have to go fanny about the planet spreading their festering bubo and dooming us all
     
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    Tin foil hat time...
    I blame Boris.
    Massive shortage of adult care staff following Brexit.
    Demographic timebomb of smaller families leading to an ageing population.
    High cost of supporting elderly with respiratory conditions in a crumbling nhs.
    Solution, following inner cabinet meeting of Boris, Cummings and Piers Morgan (you hadn't heard?).

    Send one of Cumming's weirdos to China for new year with a bucket of dodgy virus.
    Then hide in one of your (many) country piles for a couple of weeks while the brown stuff hits the fan.
    Cheap and efficient.
     
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    At work we were talking about it and because I live in Buxton and regularly go to Milton Keynes (where im from) they were saying I must be super likely to get it. (in jest)

    This one person overheard and is now avoiding me at all costs as they are certain I have it and I am spreading it within the company
     
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    Just to put things into perspective 500k dead in the UK is still less than 1% of our population!
     
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    Unless you are in that 1%
    Then that sucks :(
     
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    It is too early to know exactly which way this is going to go, although a global pandemic is looking more likely. China have proven that it is possible to gain some control over this virus, yes there are still many new cases every day but not on the same levels as a few weeks ago.

    Planning for worst case scenarios is sensible and something that government and business have to do for a wide range of issues. It does not mean that these worst case scenarios are going to happen.
     
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    And on a seperate note, let's try and keep things civil between each other in this thread please.

    Thanks.
     
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    Instead of throwing insults at me that mods have to edit out, why don't you address some of the facts that have been posted her by other members that also seen to contradict your view?
     
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    Disney parks in Japan have now also closed.
     
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    They are only closing for two weeks.

    Some Schools here (and some in the East Anglia) are closing because of the Coronavirus panic, I wonder if these children will stay at home self isolating as a precautionary measure, or will we start seeing these kids out and about on days out and shopping trips which will defeat the object of closing down schools?
     
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    The vast majority at this stage who are likely to die are already into old age. Sometimes its best to be thankful for the years on this earth you've had and just accept that humans aren't actually meant to live into very old age.
     
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    It is concerning though the number of younger people having severe illness. For example, in Italy, a 39 year old marathon runner went on to infect 13 people because doctors didn't think he had it. They only tested him when he couldn't breathe and got rushed into ICU and put on a ventilator.

    Then there are the other young doctors in China who died from it all under 40.

    Italy is particularly concerning right now - I cant understand their very high death rate. Either thing has mutated, Italy has poor healthcare, everyone is elderly... dunno its very strange why its so high over there. However rest assured the NHS is well prepared - in all of England we have 28 ICU beds for people with severe breathing problems. Apparently provided we have no more than 28 at any one time then we are all saved. Thats for all the UK by the way.
     
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    3 More cases in UK today, first in Wales.
     
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    The experts say's that a majority of us that catches the virus will just have nothing more than just a very bad cold/flu and will be fine and there is nothing to worry about....

    ..However on the other hand, the way the world authorities are dealing and handling this is causing widespread panic and concern. The media also has a lot to do with spreading fear amongst us.

    I think we need to put this into perspective, on average 3 people a day die on the UK roads, I don't see anyone panicking about crossing the road or travelling in a vehicle.

    I think a recent Facebook post really sums it all up. More people around the word dies each day from hunger than what the virus has killed, but no one cares or doing anything about those dyeing from hunger as hunger only affect the poor but not the rich, but the virus affects everyone including the rich.
     
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