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Hopefully they throw the book at Man City and Chelsea. Can see the Premier League/FA be less in favour of this though as if these alleged payments regarding Chelsea are correct we've basically had the last 15 years of English football ruined by these clubs. Which will cause all sorts of potential law suits from clubs, and even sponsors and broadcasters.
 
If Man City or Chelsea are found to have been in serious breach of the rules in the immediate time preceding any of their league titles then by right they should be officially stripped of their titles (and fined and those fines then compensating the teams financially who would have otherwise won those titles). Teams need to know that it's not worth cheating to win silverware as they will be stripped from them when they get found out later on. Fines and temporary transfer bans don't mean much to these teams. The only thing they understand is large points deductions and having silverware taken away from them and erased from the history books.
 
Be interesting to see what happens now.

Everton will and rightly fight this. Simply can't have them made an example of whilst city, Chelsea and potentially Newcastle go around ignoring all rules put in place. If they stick to the 10 points per offence rule. City will be down 1150 points.

The PL caused this by letting billionaires and oil rich clubs come in with no backbone to control them..instead, they lauded it over other European leagues, while it's propergander channel,sky sports,went around showing us with great delight how many billions the league has spent in total, clubs lower down like Bury, Scunthorpe and Oldham fall away Into nothing.

Amazing how someone has mentioned Sheffield Wednesday. Another fine example of how not to run a football club.
 
Biggest concern should be that Everton broke the rules and have nothing but a few relegation battles to show for it.

Ownership of football clubs has been a real problem for years. Amount of stories of clubs suffering from being playthings from various parts of the world for various reasons. Always follows the positive VIBES coming in before inevitable disappointment.

Good owners are incredibly rare these days.

No surprise that this has come through quicker than the Citeh stuff. Far more to get through for that, and such cases can run year after year. The problem now is that a precedence has been set and any divergence from this won't go down well. Citeh getting off with just a fine or transfer/competition ban would also stick in the craw.

Chelsea getting relegated would be sweet. Can't think of a more deserving fan base to see their club back at their normal level prior to the Roman years.

Very much the issue of every team now outside of the "Big 6", the only way to break into that area consistently is to sell your club's soul for money. The Geordies practically welcomed it since they were in a "anyone but Mike Ashley" viewpoint which has turned them into one of the most over defensive fanbases now. Man Utd fans were similarly eager for the Qataris just so they could fulfil their FIFA/EAFC dreams and not have the Glazers around.

Until they stop clubs exploiting loopholes for competitive gain it'll just continue though. Be it through throwing money at everything, having very close links with an agent allowing cheaper players far too good for the league or farming out players from your other club.

Football is well and truly out of control. And has been for a number of years.
 
Benzin said:
Biggest concern should be that Everton broke the rules and have nothing but a few relegation battles to show for it.
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Unfortunately for Everton I think external factors, i.e Putin going into Ukraine has badly affected them financially. Part of the major investment around the new stadium was pulled because of links to Russia.

They have spent big, other clubs have spent just as big. Difference being is they either haven't been able to sell because who have bought, are shite.
 
I didn't watch the game, but another challenging one for VAR last night. We can't go a week without some sort of major VAR controversy at the moment. Then to top it off, IFAB are meeting today and discussing VAR is on the agenda. It is reported that they will consider whether VAR should be amended so that it can also look at second yellow cards, free kicks and corners. If that does happen then I really do despair, the amount of stoppages in games would be ridiculous!

Meanwhile, a good chunk in to the Championship season and not having VAR is working just fine!
 
Second yellows are a good shout, though referees often don't give them out half the time due to the 'spectacle' of the game.

Free kicks and corners would be too much if they'd be doing it forensically. Would be interesting for the current stats of goals scored from incorrectly awarded corners though.
 
There won't be much improvement until they get rid of the matey matey club refs from being the only ones operating the VAR. They've proved their continued incompetence over several seasons now. They've had a fair crack of the whip. Time to introduce some former players and managers onto the panel (or something like that). None of the refs have the balls to ever disagree with the VAR room when they go to look at a pitchside monitor either. If this lot aren't up to it, import some refs from abroad. Wolves will end up with a lovely collection of apologies from the PGMOL at the end of the season, but probably around 10 points fewer than they should have had. That can genuinely change your chances of European football etc. It's totally pathetic.
 
We had a very good ref in the Championship at the weekend, Sam Allison. He's a former player (at a lower level) and it showed in what was a very calm, consistent performance where he got pretty much every call spot on. One of the best refereeing performances I have seen live for a very long time.
 
VAR has been a wreck from day one. Only getting worse. I would say it's not improving mainly because Howard Webb doesn't answer to anyone but himself. Refs get a slap on wrist and a day out at Rotherham as punishment, they know full well that come the next week they will be blowing the whistle at a premier league ground again.

Luckily, it looks like football will get an independent body to at least look over the sport. After what they done to Everton, it would appear arses are twitching " it's ok, we have it all under control, no need to bring in a body to run us!!" But the PL has got out of control. This nonsense surrounding the vote about loaning players between dual owned clubs. Why is that even being voted on? Grow a pair and ban it out right and, as we are on it. Do something in regards to Citeh and Chelsea. At least acknowledge that the charges are still being looked at. Just seems daft that everyone is asking and silence back.
 
VAR was at it again last night, finding a way to give PSG a penalty that was never a penalty in a million years. The ref was having such a good game as well, I can only assume that the pressure from the PSG players and fans eventually got to him.

VAR was meant to get rid of clear and obvious errors, not introduce them! I know I am starting to sound like a broken record here but it really is so so bad. It's the Brexit of football, we were promised all these benefits from it (more goals, better decisions etc.) but in reality it's a huge con.
 
Sometimes VAR is used as an excuse to allow certain teams decisions which are completely non-sensical.

UEFA wouldn't want PSG to potentially be knocked out of the Champions League after all.

Granted Liverpool got screwed over somewhat in their last European game. No idea why that equaliser was ruled out.

It's just putting the poor quality of refereeing into the spotlight. This year seems ridiculous the amount of dodgy/ wrong decisions going on though, so what is the reasoning behind that? Have the refs just gotten lazy?

I'm not sure putting ex-players into the system is the best idea given the ones who are currently pundits. Would have to be a very selective process, rather than just giving it to someone who played for a big club.
 
Slugjc said:
The issue is around the "clear and obvious" what does that even mean?
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Clear and Obvious error shouldn't even be a thing. VAR should just look at the incident and make the correct decision. Only reason Clear and Obvious is a thing is to look after the feelings of their fellow refs. Just make the correct call!! Having the clear and obvious error thing means that VAR could look at 2 identical pen shouts in the same game and award one and not the other purely depending on if the on field ref had originally given a peno or not. Yes, it's as stupid, but true, as it sounds.
 
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