Jb85
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lol clearly not a united fan then.
As a neutral i think it’s a good move for them. Some really bad injuries last season, and a lot of upheaval. He deserves a chance to have another go.
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lol clearly not a united fan then.
As a neutral i think it’s a good move for them. Some really bad injuries last season, and a lot of upheaval. He deserves a chance to have another go.
Slugjc
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I don't think all the issues united have can be laid at his feet.
Personally, I would have taken the next job and run as far as I can from united. The glaziers are terrible owners and they have somehow managed to bring an investor who is worse. Ok, he's better at the propaganda side of running a club. Some of the stuff you hear about him. As an example, charging staff £20 for travel to wembley for the cup final. Making people redundant to cut costs, whilst still paying players astronomical prices for players and this whole "we want a wembley of north............please British tax payer" no lad, you are a billionaire, who has invested in one of the biggest clubs on planet. Worth billions itself you f*****g pay for it. (Learnt my lesson admin) Or at least, actually fix the stadium in the first place, so it doesn't become Britain's fourth largest waterfall whenever it rains. Which in Manchester, it does tend to.
Ten Hag maybe stopping, any united should still worried at the poor state the club is run. The first thing ten hag should do, is puff his chest. Walk into the board and say "I need new players, I need the Deadwood clearing and for god sake Sir Alex, please go. Your not helping me by being in the stands"
Personally, I would have taken the next job and run as far as I can from united. The glaziers are terrible owners and they have somehow managed to bring an investor who is worse. Ok, he's better at the propaganda side of running a club. Some of the stuff you hear about him. As an example, charging staff £20 for travel to wembley for the cup final. Making people redundant to cut costs, whilst still paying players astronomical prices for players and this whole "we want a wembley of north............please British tax payer" no lad, you are a billionaire, who has invested in one of the biggest clubs on planet. Worth billions itself you f*****g pay for it. (Learnt my lesson admin) Or at least, actually fix the stadium in the first place, so it doesn't become Britain's fourth largest waterfall whenever it rains. Which in Manchester, it does tend to.
Ten Hag maybe stopping, any united should still worried at the poor state the club is run. The first thing ten hag should do, is puff his chest. Walk into the board and say "I need new players, I need the Deadwood clearing and for god sake Sir Alex, please go. Your not helping me by being in the stands"
No, nothing less than a three nil win for the Tartan Army will do my friend.
What a stage and opponent for the opening match.
I will be cheering them on as if they were British...
Err.
QTXAdsy
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They're already going through Baveria's beer supply and it's not even Firday yet.
Plus I know several people are all on their way to Germany with my boss' brother in law taking his family to the Euros in a camper van via a ferry from Newcastle...bastard didn't bother for all of the work force to have the weekend off.
They are British technically speaking even if the TA hate the idea of it. It is funny in a survey how only 35% of Scots are cheering for England while 61% of the English will cheer for Scotland according to it. Makes me realise that this so-called Auld Enemy rivalry is one-sided as the feeling doesn't seem mutual.
I miss the days of these islands being united for a common course, just wished the Welsh and Northern Irish had been there for the party for a jolly boys outing with the Home Nations.
Jb85
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I dunno
I work in Manchester and a lot of my staff support United
They have nothing but praise for Ineos and the vibe he’s given so far.
At the end of the day Citeh are owned by richer people and have a tax payer funded stadium they bought at a discount.
As for redundancies etc - the feeling is the club carried a lot of staff and dead weight that needed culling anyway.
Time will tell i guess
Slugjc
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I just think he's a billionaire that has no understanding of how football works, like alot of them do. (Liverpool included.)He has a impressive way of saying nonsense that football supporters lap up whenever a new owner comes in. He has a stake in mercedes F1. The team had to literally tell him to back off, because he just didn't have a clue.
Ok city got a discounted stadium. That was built for the commonwealth games, it would have only have sat empty or have been demolished. In fairness to citeh owners. They have improved and invested in the surrounding areas and the stadium themselves. My question to sir Jim is. What makes your club so special that you need us the tax payer to fork out? Put ya hand in your pocket and do it yaself. At the time city got there ground. The then owners of united were pumping millions of their own money on making old Trafford what it was then. Big and impressive. So, why can't he?
Jb85
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Seems a valid point that can’t be argued.
I’d quite like more clubs at the top though able to challenge Citeh. A strong Utd, Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Villa and Newcastle is only good for the English game
Slugjc
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Absolutely, a competitive league is what we are all after. Away from hierarchy at city.
A quote from city owners about their case against the PL "The tyranny of the majority" sends such a chill down the spine.
The PL and everyone who follows footie, should be saying to city owners now. Ok, so you want sponsors to be able to give you, what you want and there are companies out there willing to do it. Why don't you remove Etihad from all your building and shirts. Go out and get that sponsor who is willing to pay that amount.
Benzin
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They (the owners) aren't used to the smaller people having an actual say in the matter.
Though the Villa owner is making noise now as well. It's a depressing sight.
As is Palace announcing one of those clearly dodgy as hell betting sites that don't really exist as a new shirt sponsor. Same company is owned by Wolves' new shirt sponsor as well.
It's disgusting.
Though the Villa owner is making noise now as well. It's a depressing sight.
As is Palace announcing one of those clearly dodgy as hell betting sites that don't really exist as a new shirt sponsor. Same company is owned by Wolves' new shirt sponsor as well.
It's disgusting.
Slugjc
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Issue with that is. Without the big 5 clubs In the league. The money will stop coming In. Which will affect the lower leagues. If 5 left, can automatically see those who missed out, crying that they have not got a slice of that pie. Spurs and villa being examples of owners who would kick off that money isn't coming to them.
Personally, I would like to see more PL money drip through the leagues. The ”top 5” have less power and a better way of capping spending power so it's fairer to the lower lot. Stop making the championship play off the most valuable game in the world. If you are scrapping cup relays. Why not have a rule where the lower league side is always at home?
BarryZola
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At the end of the day, every football club needs to just get real and just start cutting its cloth accordingly. More money coming into clubs is pretty meaningless currently as it all just goes straight out to players and agents anyway. Only a relatively small amount trickles down to the lower leagues anyway and this again just goes out to paying more wages to players. If we need to get back to using more of our players from our youth systems and are less likely to pay more wages for foreign players then so be it. I'm just getting sick of all of this moaning from the bigger clubs. The Premier League just need to have a set of rules, then if you aren't happy to compete under those rules, then feel free to crack on elsewhere. Try to take legal action against the league to get the rules changed in your favour? Bye bye, you know where the door is (permanently or suspended). They should never bow down to the influence of these bigger clubs just because they attract more investment into the league. As we all know though, money corrupts.
Football is rotten from the top, and sadly you see it filter lower down the pyramid with each passing year.
Sadly, as much as it’d feel great to expel the top 4/6 to do their own thing, it’d practically kill off football as we know it in this country, these clubs would become even richer behemoths and still have their cherry pick of the talent elsewhere. I think I’d fully walk away from football at this point.
Sadly it’s not just a football thing, F1 has reacted to its surge in popularity by chasing the £££ at every corner, cricket has such a financial inequality in favour of India that they have an unhealthy influence on the global game, sport is becoming more and more unethical each day.
Sadly, as much as it’d feel great to expel the top 4/6 to do their own thing, it’d practically kill off football as we know it in this country, these clubs would become even richer behemoths and still have their cherry pick of the talent elsewhere. I think I’d fully walk away from football at this point.
Sadly it’s not just a football thing, F1 has reacted to its surge in popularity by chasing the £££ at every corner, cricket has such a financial inequality in favour of India that they have an unhealthy influence on the global game, sport is becoming more and more unethical each day.
BarryZola
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Maybe so, but my interest in top flight football as something for my club (West Brom) to be a part of is now pretty much non-existent anyway. When we were knocked out of the play-offs recently I genuinely didn't really care. We've been in and out of it for the past 15 years or so and realistically once you're in there you're just an also-ran unless you're one of a small group of clubs. There's just no excitement in it any more. So you get the TV money for several years and temporarily get a slightly better quality of player who will lose most of their games, but they get to take all of the extra TV money out of your club's accounts. No chance of glory and once you eventually drop back down like every club does (apart from the big 5-6 and for some reason Everton) your TV money drops but you still spend every penny on wages in the Championship. It's all so pointless and boring really. Take those mega 5-6 clubs out and it becomes a more realistic competition, albeit with lesser quality players somewhat. That's just my thoughts on it anyway.
Slugjc
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The thing is. It's not just in PL where greed is killing the game.
Golf and boxing (although boxing has always been bent towards who's the richest) the list goes on..
F1 is an interesting comparison..F1, like football. Loves to pretend it's this big.money making entity. In theory, it's skint.
The money isn't just a PL thing. I will point everyone to Salford. Owned by a billionaire and Gary Neville and Wrexham. My wife watched the Wrexham thing on Disney and she was sucked in by the "little team done good" promotion it gave. Until I had to tell her just that all the other sides in that league would have a quarter of what Wrexham had. Even now. Look at the money they are throwing round at league one level.
Wrexham and F1 are actually linked. Disney+ and netflix have built a series round both. Brought attention to both sports to mew audience, whilst simultaneously ruin it for those who already supported Wrexham and watched F1. Mrsslugjc loves the F1 and would be on forums a plenty. It seemed like a nice little community, now it's like any football social media post.
As for Wrexham. The old boys seemingly hate the tourists as they feel pushed out.
Golf and boxing (although boxing has always been bent towards who's the richest) the list goes on..
F1 is an interesting comparison..F1, like football. Loves to pretend it's this big.money making entity. In theory, it's skint.
The money isn't just a PL thing. I will point everyone to Salford. Owned by a billionaire and Gary Neville and Wrexham. My wife watched the Wrexham thing on Disney and she was sucked in by the "little team done good" promotion it gave. Until I had to tell her just that all the other sides in that league would have a quarter of what Wrexham had. Even now. Look at the money they are throwing round at league one level.
Wrexham and F1 are actually linked. Disney+ and netflix have built a series round both. Brought attention to both sports to mew audience, whilst simultaneously ruin it for those who already supported Wrexham and watched F1. Mrsslugjc loves the F1 and would be on forums a plenty. It seemed like a nice little community, now it's like any football social media post.
As for Wrexham. The old boys seemingly hate the tourists as they feel pushed out.
Indeed, being a lifelong Shrewsbury fan I’ve been following the Wrexham ‘fairytale’ very closely. Ultimately it’s a master stroke from the owners in how to commercialise, but the fact remains they’re still losing money by the million and the more they progress the more they’re going to need to find in order to compete.