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Yeah ultimately I expect a 'Premier League 2' will form. They could also drop 2 teams from L2 into the NL and then have a nice symetric 5 tiers of 18 clubs. But I don't know how you get clubs to agree to less matches. Maybe the PL will like they did in France, but the lower leagues need every penny.
 
Slugjc said:
Ladies and gents I give you Brighton and Possible Brentford. Neither are swimming in brass, yet. By being sensible. Planning for the future. Good scouting and contingency plans. Manage to stay competitive.
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That's true, but over the history of the Premier League it's scattered with teams that came up, stayed up and competed, stabilised, then suddenly something changes like the wrong manager, or they can't replace the sold players adequately. Suddenly one bad season and they've gone down.

Charlton, Bolton, Stoke, Leicester (twice at least), Swansea, Watford, and probably a few others I can't remember.
 
John_P said:
That's true, but over the history of the Premier League it's scattered with teams that came up, stayed up and competed, stabilised, then suddenly something changes like the wrong manager, or they can't replace the sold players adequately. Suddenly one bad season and they've gone down.

Charlton, Bolton, Stoke, Leicester (twice at least), Swansea, Watford, and probably a few others I can't remember.
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There is that. Look back further

Both Sheffields.
Forrest.
Swindon
Bradford.
Wigan
Barnsley
Leeds united.
Burnley
Coventry
Birmingham
Middlesbrough
Norwich
Manchester city before the oil money.

I don't think it's a premier league/championship thing. You look further down the leagues. Gap between league two and below, league one below and above. I fear for Wrexham. Purely because of the Reynolds career may tank (that another discussion)and his money runs out.

We have had Bury collapse
Darlington who decided one day to be bigger than everybody. That weird situation at Notts County.


The gap is the gap. Last 6 sides have come up too early. Especially Luton and Ipswich. Be interesting to see how the next 3 do. The championship is looking better this year.
 
It's only happened 3/4 times that the 3 promoted clubs have been relegated.

Ipswich probably come under promotion too early, with a number of League 1 players still in the team. However had no expectation to actually stay up and try and be competitive. However losing to Southampton recently seems to have caused heads to drop.

Leicester lost their manager at start of the season which never helps. Cooper was probably doing what he could with the squad, given that they're still reliant on a 50 year old Vardy to score. Replaced him with an inexperienced manager (especially at that end of the table) and it's a disaster.

Southampton came up due to that late run of form playoff clubs usually get. Then wanted to play tippy tappy football with crap quality players. By time Martin was sacked they had no chance of survival.


As always, the key component is recruitment. Which is also the hardest part of it. Palace signed many players upon promotion and a number did sum total of naff all (including one new signing who didn't even make the 25 man squad!) and survival came down to Pulis getting a decent run of form towards the end and the most out of the squad. What probably helped was having a solid group of players who fought for everything too, and never underestimate that when fighting for relegation.

End of the day though, 3 teams have to go down. I don't think the EFL trying to break away or become a PL2 would help much either.
 
The not sacking of Martin was weird. It was obvious by Halloween he needed to go but they dragged until Mid-December and condemned themselves to the drop.
 
Too many managers try and copy Pep and Klopp tactics. Simply don't have the talent. You've moved up a league now, the pace has changed, fitness of the opposition is different and the slickness is magnified. Mistakes that won't be punished at Bristol City will now be punished at Manchester City.
 
Slugjc said:
I don't think it's a premier league/championship thing. You look further down the leagues. Gap between league two and below, league one below and above. I fear for Wrexham. Purely because of the Reynolds career may tank (that another discussion)and his money runs out.
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Think with Wrexham and the Reynolds/McElenry ownership there finances have been enough to get Wrexham this far, but once in the championship their wealth is suddenly dwarfed by that of other clubs owners.

However whilst they've still got a hand on the tiller companies will be interested in doing business with the club which will give them a financial kick most of their rivals won't have.
 
So many clubs have fell from grace - remember Darlington signing Gazza wasn’t it - and a 25,000 seat stadium with the plan that would take them to the premier league?

Scunthorpe, Macclesfield - all reasonable sized clubs where bad ownership has killed them.

Not fair on the fans

As for Wrexham - they’ll make the premier league no doubt. Americans love the story. And as a result some rich guy will invest along side Reynolds
 
Jb85 said:
So many clubs have fell from grace - remember Darlington signing Gazza wasn’t it - and a 25,000 seat stadium with the plan that would take them to the premier league?

Scunthorpe, Macclesfield - all reasonable sized clubs where bad ownership has killed them.

Not fair on the fans

As for Wrexham - they’ll make the premier league no doubt. Americans love the story. And as a result some rich guy will invest along side Reynolds
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The Darlington case Is a bizarre one. Notts county did the same. Hiring Sven Goran and sol Campbell. Neither got paid.

I had a season ticket at Macc when they got to league 1. (Mate from Macc, went with him and his dad.) Speaking of a side out of their depth. Back to back promotions. Into a league that featured Manchester City and a then, a Fulham side owned by the Harrods Nonce. Macc were known for being the worst supported side in the league. That was the case till they went down. Many an owner and the club just bled money. Has a sugar daddy now and (sigh) Robbie Savage. Macc suffers from in geographic local. Very near Manchester

Scunny is a sad case. The club has heavily suffered from local economy not being that good.
 
Benzin said:
It's only happened 3/4 times that the 3 promoted clubs have been relegated.
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Not all three, but two going back down is rather common.

Typically, a promoted team is relegated the following season, roughly half go straight back down again.
That is the split since the premiership started.
Norridge are good at bouncing as well, Come on you Canaries.

Blackburn managed a whole decade of premiership football, but that took a lot of money from Big Jacks fat wallet...false money inputted without silly finance rules, the premiership was purchased outright.
Once he passed away, the whole town knew the team was doomed.
 
Blackburn not helped by Venky's being clueless about football ("what's relegation?").

The "Fit & Proper Person's Test" has brought many a club to its knees for being clearly inadequate. Reading the latest to be suffering from a dodgy owner, makes me incredibly glad that Parish is as stubborn about having final say as he is.
 
Am I right in thinking Blackburn went down under Jack Walker aswell?

Thanks, in no part to the walking disaster that is Roy Hodgeson.

Spent loads with Brian Kidd, ended up getting souness in? Players like Craig Hignett, Ashley Ward purchased.
 
All random purchasing of who Jack fancied at the time.

Sutton, Shearer and Dalgliesh sorted things out for him, then interest and money slowly waned once he had got his Premiership goal
 
Happy times indeed.

Impressed how the last 15 days. Which, as every pundit and two bit supporter told us. Would be the 15 days the Lego headed one and his team would catch up and the easy season would finally catch up on us. Didn't happen. 11 points from 15. 13 clear.

Would they have ever have caught us. I think, Arsenal went into this season thinking it was theis. City would be in the hunt, of we can match the results they can't go for 5, they surely would tire. Chelsea, Liverpool and united would all be going for the top four. Would be too hung up on Villa, Newcastle and some others. Surely nobody would replicate Klopp. Not a bald chap from the Dutch league.

When they drew or lost, the excuses came out. The tantrums. Poor discipline, not our fault blame the refs. Couple of injuries and the squad fell apart. It's ok.about not having a striker, a midfielder has scored...............

I think arteta is a good coach. He has a serious issue. He is weird.
 
Fantastic position to be in, after the deflation from the Evs last minute equaliser we've then managed the next 4 games pretty well. Taking 11 from 15 whilst Arsenal took 4 from 9.

Obviously we've got some way to go still, then champions league last 16 to come next week, the league cup final on the horizon, and us only playing 1 league game in march.

Be nice to just watch the FA Cup games this week and not be worrying.
 
Think it was more hope that we'd have an interesting end to the season, rather than have the champions and relegation places essentially tied up by March.

Sky will be pushing "The Race for 4th!" crap soon.


Pleasantly surprised by our result on Tuesday. Just gotta do the same to our dear cousins from Bermondsey on Saturday.
 
3rd to 10th for the European places could be quite a mad scramble. No one wants to put a run of games together at the moment. Plus you've got the likely position that 5th will be enough for the champions league next season.
 
John_P said:
3rd to 10th for the European places could be quite a mad scramble. No one wants to put a run of games together at the moment. Plus you've got the likely position that 5th will be enough for the champions league next season.
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It’s odd that Villa are 10th but perceived to be playing better than last season. Odd
 
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