Discussion in 'Corner Coffee' started by Adam, 13th Jun 2012.
Nice one thanks will check that out!
It's depressing to see all these historical monuments being destroyed by violent terrorists and knowing that half of them will either, never get rebuilt, or be replaced by a false statue who's only purpose is racist point scoring...
It's even worse that the councils themselves are doing it. So instead of just convicting the people responsible and restoring any damage, instead, they are legitimizing and encouraging this violence... Now, they know that as long as they keep up the violence, they will get their way... So they will keep going and getting worse!
And nothing will be done about it...that would be racist!
I can’t help but feel a little bewildered, lost and intimidated by the world we reside in right now. It feels a little like the planet is out of control, with sweeping pandemics, lack of credible authoritative figures, not knowing if you’ll have a job to return to in the next few weeks etc. And then I stand behind the BLM movements, yet because I refused to attend my local demonstration when asked, as I live with someone on the critically vulnerable list, I must be a racist.
I know people have a lot more on their plate than I do, and the BLM protests are a very worthy cause, but this world can feel a little overwhelming at times.
It makes me feel down that some people value ugly statues of slave traders (and actual, literal Nazi supporters) more than they value the humanity of an entire race of people. Maybe that's just me.
Separate post entirely, I don't think anybody should feel bad if they're in the position that you just described @MiserableMonkey - things are certainly as overwhelming as they have ever been and it's hard to get your head around things. I'm sure that's even more the case for those people with, or living with people who have, underlying health conditions. I can't even imagine how dealing that feels, having not experienced it.
I'm would have felt fairly certain that nobody will accuse you of being a racist for shielding at home for health reasons / to protect loved ones. Hopefully that hasn't been the case, and anybody who has made that accusation should feel ashamed.
But yeah, I think with some much bad stuff going on at the moment, it'd be hard not to feel overwhelmed. I'm in a similar situation regarding jobs, I've just passed a teacher training course but it seems impossible to find a teaching job in the current climate (and with many schools not even currently open). Fingers crossed for us both!
I agree, where do you draw the line? Do we remove every statue, rename every street, building, town because it history offends someone?
Life wasn't always like it is today, the past was very brutal, barbaric and this went on for thousands of years, back to the roman times and beyond. We have towns and cities built by the Romans, they engage in slavery back then, so do we rip down every town and city that the Romans built? Do we rip down all the Roman Colosseum's around the world? Whether we like it or not, this is all part of our history, good or bad.
Robin Hood and Dick Turpin was both outlaws, do we rip down their statues? Do we stop celebrating Guy Fawkes night?
Now we have the removal of Little Britain, Ant and Dec apologising and now the removal of the Inbetweeners. When you are in the performing art, you portray a character, never yourself, so will we get to the point where you can't play a character just in-case you offend someone?
To me this is PC gone too far. Yes reshape our future for the better, but don't sweep our past under the carpet. Not everyone is going to agree and we all don't have to.
I do like the idea of an impartial plaque fitted to each stature explaining their past, good and bad, and let individuals make up their own minds whether they are good or bad.
Like I've said in other posts on here, I'm against any form of discrimination, hate-crime and I'm not racist, but we can't just go around demanding things to be removed because it offends us.
The statue hasn't been destroyed. It's already been fished out of the river and the council plan to put it in a museum, where it belongs. We should not be literally looking up at a slave trader. There is a distinction between objects, artifacts, attractions with questionable history that you go out of your way to visit, and an actual statue in a public place honouring someone.
My personal opinion is programs like Little Britain should remain available to watch legally on streaming services perhaps with a content warning. Unlike statues, you have to go out of your way to watch it. So actually I support the taking down (or pulling down and rolling into the river, in this case) of statues but feel removing entire series that were published years ago is too extreme.
In a way @MiserableMonkey, I think you summed up the way I feel perfectly; everything was fine, but then it suddenly all became very overwhelming within the last few days or so.
With regards to the virus, I’ve grown less worried as of late, but I still have grave fears about what the future will hold. I’m scared about there being a second wave. I’m scared about how businesses will survive over the next few years. With the way some people talk, I’m genuinely fearing that the world will be a far worse place under the “new normal”. Of course, this will all end eventually, and there are plenty of good things that could come out of the new normal as well, but people seem to talk about life not being worth living, and dividing the two eras into “pre-COVID” and “post-COVID”, and that scares me. However, I don’t like to say I’m scared because I worry people will think I’m being self-centred and over dramatic.
With regards to the Black Lives Matter movement; I agree fully with the cause, and I don’t really care about the statues coming down if it means that we can have a more equal, inclusive world. However, I must admit that I feel very overwhelmed by all of the things that have happened to do with it, and I’m not sure how I feel about all the violence towards police officers that has occurred, as well as the vandalism, and even though I’ve been trying to keep my nose out of the debates purposely, I worry that people will think badly of me if I don’t come out in full, raging support of the movement.
Bet you wouldn't be saying this about the Berlin Wall or Saddam Hussain's statue coming down. This was a statue of a slave trader who was responsible of 19,000 black people drowning. Quite frankly it belongs in the harbour.
Also, are you implying that replacing those statues with other stuff like Windrush (which has been suggested) is wrong? That's actually shocking...
Yes, that is what I am saying!
I would defend a statue of the leader of ISIS, if it came down to it... the statue is not a racist being, it can't judge...its just a statue, it's a monument to history and is meant to immortalise the depicted party...
The issue with what BLM are doing, is that they aren't trying to create new statues, they are trying, specifically, to replace the old white statues, with black statues... simply to take from the "white side"...
I think that is wrong!
Anyway, if this is going to turn into a debate, then can we avoid having it in this thread?
Thank you @D4n - I wish you the best of luck with the teaching! I delved into teaching some years ago and thoroughly enjoyed myself. The only reason I departed the classroom in the end was an opportunity at cracking my dream job came up, and in fear of regretting it if I didn’t, I grabbed it with both hands. But now I find myself in this furlough situation some years later, a little worried as to how they’ll even begin to recover my position, thinking about a return to teaching as a safety set of sorts. Once this all blows over, I’m sure you’ll find a position relatively quickly and take comfort in the fact it’ll be one of the more secure jobs out there for a while.
And @Matt N, you worded that perfectly. That is exactly how I feel about the world around me right now. I think I’ll find a nice quiet room, a good book or two and I’ll switch off from the world for a few days.
I've removed Twitter from my phone now and managed to avoid looking at Facebook and found avoiding the politics on those platforms certainly helps me. It does mean spending even more time reading about trains or roller coasters, but it's harder to get stressed about those!
As for the statues @Britford you said it's there to immortalise the depicted party. In the case of a slave trader, I don't think that's desirable.
You’d think I’d be down wouldn’t you: not seen my isolating family in three month. Living alone with my two cats. Whilst a terminally ill family member is currently 6 months in to a 3 month prognosis (meaning in theory she should have passed three months ago)
Working from home with a client base that don’t understand why they cannot go out (social worker for learning disabilities) and coping with the death of my best mate who was cruelly mowed down and killled by a drunk driver!
Whom I kidding I’m depressed, I know it, I’ve had the treatments in the past. Thankfully I know I can get through it. It’s a low point but I’ll wait for the high with bated breath.
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This isn't a place for political discussion, yet somehow it seems to have delved into the very discussion someone has said they're actively trying to avoid! I've removed a number of posts as a result. Please, stay on the topic title and whilst I'm at it be respectful to eachother.
Well... certainly would never have guessed that the first time all mentions of coronavirus were wiped from the top list of news stories, it would be by such a horrible event in the town I call home, the place I’ve always felt safe
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It gets me too and the shooting as well. It like only bad news gets top billing.
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I know this is being discussed in great depth in another thread in this forum, so I won’t go into too much detail, but I’ve been getting really down about all the drama that’s been going on in the UK theme park community lately.
I’m really conflicted with regards to how I feel. On the one hand, I’m trying to remain as impartial as I can, and I feel like I should apologise for taking it all too seriously, as it may not have been intended in the way that it turned out. It may not even be true, we just don’t know; innocent until proven guilty and all that. However, on the other hand, I feel shocked, hurt and deceived by what’s happened, like what I’ve felt and what I’ve supported over the last 5 years might just have been an illusion. Because it’s regarding a very sensitive topic, I also feel afraid to talk to anyone about it in case I make them angry or upset with me, or in case they don’t want to talk about the subject matter.
As I said, I won’t go into too much detail, but the conflict of emotions running through my head with regards to this huge drama is really getting me down.
I agree with you on all of this and am feeling the same way.
Thank you; reassuring to know that I’m not alone.
Same here, especially when over the past few years I've have met the alleged accused on a regular basis and I personally have never witness anything untoward.
Feeling very stressed at the moment. Literally just takes one small thing to set me off. I think it's because I can't escape my family, being at home is nice but it feel like this covid thing is going to go on forever
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