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2019 General Election Poll and Discussion

Which party will you vote for at the 2019 General Election?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 4 4.4%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 15 16.7%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 42 46.7%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 14 15.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Not Voting/Can't Vote

    Votes: 6 6.7%
  • Not Yet Decided

    Votes: 6 6.7%

  • Total voters
    90
Of course, this is not to say any of the other parties are any more honest, in fact your reaction to them is a fine example of why 16 years olds cannot ever be allowed to vote, no life experience is the saying I think, my son is nearing 16 and I can categorically state without any hesitation he is neither experienced or mature enough to vote in an election, and neither are any of his classmates either.

There's also no guarantee that life experience will leave anyone in a good position to vote in good faith or with intelligence. As I have gotten older, I've become aware of how easy it would be to become mired in cynicism and misanthropy, or, as I have already mentioned earlier in this thread, simply unable to imagine anything truly different. On the contrary, this isn't a problem that those approaching the voting age have, which is itself, a frightening idea to an establishment who wish to maintain the status-quo.
 
If any of you are thinking of voting Tory........go and speak to a few teachers, nurses, firefighters and doctors before you do. You might have a re-think.

^^ This.

My Dad has always been a tory voter and has never listened to me. However after a recent visit to his young doctor, he's now going to vote Labour. Even though he still thinks Jezza is the Devil incarnate.
 
...I knew that would throw the cat among the pigeons.

As for voting conservative, you all obviously didn't read the last paragraph.
 
Never play chess with a pigeon, it'll just knock the pieces over, shit all over the board, and still strut about like it won.


I wonder where the tory's magic money tree is to pay for more with less taxes and not increasing borrowing?
 
Do you know who you are really voting for? o_O

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Another message on the side of a bus o_O

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Interestingly, I read that there's actually a part of the Conservative manifesto that would scrap the Human Rights Act in favour of a codified British Bill of Rights, which would apparently put Boris Johnson above the law...
 
"For the many, not the few".... Really?

In an election smeared with lies, labour are sitting on the whopper of all whoppers. The part costed labour manifesto explains how increased spending on university and health will be theoretically funded but remains silent on funding big ticket items such as the 400bn green deal, 150bn social infrastructure fund, sweeping nationalisation, 100,000s council homes not to mention 58bn for the equalization of pension ages. We are told the top 5% earners would fund this with marginal increases in income tax. 163 economists signed a letter to the FT stating borrowing, at current low interest rates, was financially prudent and backed labours plans. The independent pointed out this would bring our public spending in line with social democratic nations. And, that's the sleight of hand in labours campaign catchphrase. No one would doubt that Sweden would be held up as perhaps the leading example of a social democratic system. And in such a system, sweden has vastly different income taxation rates. In sweden anyone earning over £2k a year pays 32% on all earnings until 50+% rates kick in above around £38k. So for comparison, a person on a 40 hour a week minimum wage contract earns £17k in the UK and under PAYE pays around £2k in income tax. Under the swedish system that same person pays £5k in income tax. A stark difference. Everyone pays vastly more income tax, not to mention a 25% VAT equivalent and everyone must, for the system to work. Arguably labour's spending plans far outreach the public service arrangements in Sweden. As we can see, labours spending and funding do not equate, by a long way. Let us hope that the electorate do not let Corbyns labour reveal the earthquake of a lie behind "for the the many, not the few"
 
General election 2019: Tory and Labour spending plans 'not credible' - IFS

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50585818

So we're even. However I believe accept that we need to raise taxes to improve the quality of service in the NHS, schools, transport, benefits etc. The Tories think we can somehow improve these things with no tax increases, or even lowering tax.
Lower personal taxes = people have more money do spend more = more vat tax for the government
Low business tax = business have more money to invest ,expand, employ more people, increase wages = more tax revenue for the government
That’s how the Tories improve spending on things.
Everyone is happy
 
Lower personal taxes = people have more money do spend more = more vat tax for the government
Low business tax = business have more money to invest ,expand, employ more people, increase wages = more tax revenue for the government
That’s how the Tories improve spending on things.
Everyone is happy
If that's how they improve spending, why is Johnson holding off on a corporation tax cut to try and boost the NHS?
Does this look like happy people to you?

Don't give me "increase wages" shit. Businesses will pay their staff as little and employ as few people as they can get away with.

Relying on VAT isn't really a good idea either when people spend big chunks of their disposable income on foreign holidays.
 
I think you can pick holes in both major manifestos. If you look at the New Labour effort from 1997, it was essentially five bullet points. The idea we now have these grand (or not so grand) visions for the country is strange. Especially when you have Brexit on the horizon that will fundamentally shake up this nation and its economy (for better, or for worse, depending on your point of view) - the idea that you can do the same regardless is baffling to me.

It's refreshing to have two real competing visions for the country, any notion that it's two similar approaches has to be entirely discounted.

I'm going to vote for whatever makes a hung parliament more likely, as I'm pretty nervous about what either party would do with their desired majority.

Had a bit of a mid-pub quiz debate about the Tory NHS proposals this evening. Their ability to make people think they have a credible, costed plan is astonishing... 50,000 'new' nurses, of which 19,000 already exist in a system that has 40,000 vacancies. 50,000,000 more GP appointments despite them previously pledging and failing to recruit 5,000 further GPs. And social care... After being stung in 2017 on their social care policy, they have simply opted not to have one. That feels like the real scandal of our generation and you can only assume folks who don't see it no longer have parents, have the means to pay for it, wish to see no inheritance or just don't care about our elders.

I still scratch my head on Brexit too.

Why do you want it?
... Because we were promised it
But why do you want what you were promised?
... Because we voted for it
But... *sigh* In third place, NE14ABJ...
 
Corbin ...
I hate the fact people voted leave.
I’ll give them another vote
But to make sure I get the result I want
I’ll allow 2 million EU nationals to vote too

I guess that’s how democracy works o_O

Corbin
I want to bring back free movement
Not just the EU tho the entire world !

Think the NHS can’t cope now. Wait until anyone just turns up at our door and and let’s them in.

But I guess that’s ok as Corbin will just keep borrowing more and more money to pump into the NHS
It’s fine.
The next generation can worry about paying it back
I won’t care I’ll be long dead by that time
 
Well democracy does work by letting people revote on decisions, and with a thing like Brexit were both expats and immigrants would be affected by it (imagine if your EU spouse suddenly can't live in the UK anymore and you can't emigrate out with her/him/them) I can understand why expanding the vote to such people would be sensible (some expats couldn't even vote in 2016!)...

Then again I know of those from immigrant families who were born in UK who voted for it so you know... (A personal favourite reasoning for someone voting Leave was them wanting to "get rid of the Muslims" when their own father is a Turkish Muslim immigrant; hell some of my own family voted leave and we're a Maltese/Irish immigrant mob!)

Can we source where Corbyn has said there'll be free movement for everyone btw? Otherwise it's just more Project Fear...
 
I'm sure you'll understand that I'd take anything in the Sun with enough salt I could float in water...

Last year's immigration stats make for some reading mind:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-year-ending-march-2019

Presuming those numbers are correct, don't think a few extra tens of thousands are going to cause much, especially as any who remain on a permanent basis will actually pay their tax and dues after all... They can't ALL be stealing our jobs and benefits, Schroedinger's immigrant is one of the biggest myths in modern day...

Don't recall saying anyone on here was xenophobic either, just my known examples of Leavers were for those reasons (and the first example is why there's so much to be said for people to actually look deeper into things beyond whatever headlines are thrown at you, especially given the government have always been able to reduce immigration numbers but chose not to do much about it)
 
You are coming across as xenophobic. So it's okay that your parents are immigrants and you enjoy life in the UK but young Poles today shouldn't have this opportunity? Selfish.
I didn’t say that. But we shouldn’t have an open door policy where any Tom dick or Harriet can come and bleed us dry.
 
I didn’t say that. But we shouldn’t have an open door policy where any Tom dick or Harriet can come and bleed us dry.

Most of the people who "bleed us dry" would qualify for a visa. The people at the top of companies are the problem, not the ones at the bottom.

We need immigrant workers for the lower paid roles. Its foreign "investors" who are taking money out of the country.
 
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