2019 General Election Poll and Discussion

[BarryZola]

Corbyn was a bit powderpuff tonight in the BBC debate. Will not have gained many new fans. This was a big chance for him to land some blows on Boris and he failed.

 

[D4n]

Corbyn was a bit powderpuff tonight in the BBC debate. Will not have gained many new fans. This was a big chance for him to land some blows on Boris and he failed.

Thought the complete opposite, although Boris mainly inflicted the damage on himself.

Boris completely devoid of ideas, bringing every question back to Brexit (tedious) and attacking Corbyn rather than asking any questions directed at him. He bumbled aimlessly through his answers to several questions. He was rude, constantly interrupting and exceeding his allotted time.

Corbyn was good humoured, certainly landed a couple of blows. Not a landslide victory by any means but I think he will have won over more people in that debate than Boris did.

 

[BarryZola]

I will have to respectfully disagree. I doubt either party will have won or lost any voters there, which is likely good news for Boris but probably not so good for Corbyn. We will find out more on Thursday/Friday

 

[Rick]

You are coming across as xenophobic. So it's okay that your parents are immigrants and you enjoy life in the UK but young Poles today shouldn't have this opportunity? Selfish.

If someone is questioning whether freedom of movement is a good idea, I don't think that's xenophobia. Feels like another lazy grab for the language of extreme that undermines any point being made.

I didn’t say that. But we shouldn’t have an open door policy where any Tom dick or Harriet can come and bleed us dry.

Or... work in our hospitals, look after our grandparents, deliver our pizzas etc etc.

 

[speedy]

If someone is questioning whether freedom of movement is a good idea, I don't think that's xenophobia. Feels like another lazy grab for the language of extreme that undermines any point being made.


Or... work in our hospitals, look after our grandparents, deliver our pizzas etc etc.

I wouldn't have chosen that word personally, rather I used it in direct response to the "I'm not xenophobic" post. It is extreme sounding, though if we're going by the Google definition "having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries", there are plenty of replies here that fit the bill.

 

[bluesonichd]

now news reporting that the document lies peddled by Labour that Tories wanting to sell off the NHS were from Russian interference into our election

 

[Plastic Person]

now news reporting that the document lies peddled by Labour that Tories wanting to sell off the NHS were from Russian interference into our election]

Does the report suggests that Russian sources may have leaked the documents in order to cause political chaos, not that the document itself is a fake or "lies"?

 

[Alsty]

If only the Conservatives would release the report into Russian interference, maybe that would help clear up what's going on. Funny how that's not happened.

 

[bluesonichd]

Does the report suggests that Russian sources may have leaked the documents in order to cause political chaos, not that the document itself is a fake or "lies"?

looks like the document is real but Russia meddling in other countries politics.. again

 

[DiogoJ42]

All countries meddle in other countries' politics. It's called "diplomacy".

 

[Dar]

I still don't see how having a general election based solely around brexit is more democratic than a second referendum, except as pretext for the con-men to get their society destroying policies through

I'm baffled that there was such an uproar around the lack of social care a couple years ago, and now they've not even bothered to put anything about it in their manifesto and people are still lapping it up because "hur dur boris funny man, corbin bad man"

 

[bluesonichd]

the con-men to get their society destroying policies through
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its fine, Labour will never get into power. we are all safe

 

[bluesonichd]

For the love of Wardley please don’t let this man into number 10

“There is no anti Semitism in our party”



It’s going to be Germany 1941 repeated

 

[Alsty]

You'd almost think Boris Johnson is whiter than white.

Instead of throwing dirt, perhaps you'd like to tell us about the Conservative policies that you think will improve this country?

 

[Dave]

now news reporting that the document lies peddled by Labour that Tories wanting to sell off the NHS were from Russian interference into our election

I’m not sure anything can be said that will change your opinion but I work in the NHS and the tories have been carving it up and selling bits for the last 9 years. This will only continue and if you think otherwise you are seriously misinformed.

it won’t be one big sale, it’s death by 1000 cuts. The sad thing is you can believe Tory spin all you like but when people who work within the service are telling you the service is being killed by the Tory’s, then ignore at your own peril.

you will miss it when it’s gone, because suddenly your health will become a hell of a lot more expensive.

 

[RoyJess]

Forget about Labour's anti Semitism, look at what one Conservatory candidate thinks about the disabled

"Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less as ‘they don’t understand money’"

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/06/tory...ple-paid-less-dont-understand-money-11280594/

 

[speedy]

Forget about Labour's anti Semitism, look at what one Conservatory candidate thinks about the disabled

"Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less as ‘they don’t understand money’"

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/06/tory...ple-paid-less-dont-understand-money-11280594/

They're also pledging to remove £24 million a year from autism/learning disability funding, and putting £14 million a year towards voter ID.

 

[bluesonichd]

Forget about Labour's anti Semitism, look at what one Conservatory candidate thinks about the disabled

"Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less as ‘they don’t understand money’"

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/06/tory...ple-paid-less-dont-understand-money-11280594/

lets forget that labour have turned into a racist cult

 

[Rick]

^ Incredibly troubling, but probably another one of those instances where the candidate gets a pass because of the colour rosette she is wearing - that's not a criticism of the Tories, that happens all over the place - 'My guy can do no wrong'.

On the back of that story, it will be interesting to see how things pan out in Hastings & Rye (Amber Rudd's former seat), the Tories are defending a majority of only 346 in a 55% Leave vote area. The Labour candidate who narrowly came second in 2017 is standing again.

At the moment, the Tories are odds on to win at 2/7 with Labour at 5/2. If Remain voters subscribe to the @RoyJess view of tactical voting, you'd think the Tories probably will secure the seat again.

@bluesonichd there is merit in some of the examples that you post, but your unwillingness to see there are issues on all sides just makes you come across as a crazed Russian election tinkerer living in the box room at their mum's house.

 

[Dave]

lets forget that labour have turned into a racist cult

For goodness sake you can have the political opinion you like but try and look at facts rather than propaganda.

The left has always had a small but significant population who take a general hate of Israel policy towards Palestine and extend this dislike of Israel to a dislike of Judaism. It’s wrong and it needs to be tackled. And labour certainly didn’t do enough at the outset to deal with it.

The Tories also have institutional racism imbedded (windrush for example) which gets more and more extreme the further right you go. It’s also inherently homophobic and discriminatory to disabled people.

For sure call out racism in the left but don’t pretend the right is a paragon of tolerance because you make a fool of yourself.